Ahfs

RJ · 05-02-2009, 07:09 AM

I remember someone calling the AHFS system "automatic help for slugs" awhile back. I don't see in the AHFS policy on NHRA's site where slow combos get hp off, what was the moniker in reference to?

Angelo DiTocco · 05-02-2009, 09:11 AM

i belive that reference was directed at the racers with slow cars/combos that complained about fast cars so often to nhra that they decided to implement an automatic system even when they knew there would be no way to create such a system without flaws. hence the term "help for slugs" ..... help for the slow by punishing the fast.

you can send a letter to nhra requesting a reduction of hp for a combo... they will look at similar data and decide if the combo deserves a reduction based on their formulas..... they do that twice a year midway through and at the end of the season.

RJ · 05-02-2009, 09:22 AM

Thanks Angelo, I'm not trying to get hp off, I was just was wondering where the term came from.

Jack McCarthy · 05-05-2009, 12:55 PM

RJ... i was the one who tagged the AHFS as the automatic help for slugs...

it seems to me the whole issue surrounds those who have chosen thier combos poorly and believe like our new president and congress that taking from those (who can go fast) will help those who dont wanna work.

i am also the one who has screamed from the mountain tops that the AHFS "can not and will not ever work" because we can manipulate the input (see -1.408 thread). END OF STORY.

the only way to police this is with a committee of intelligent people (none in glendora we know) who can study data from runs (and allow for atmosphere) and then look at each combo in question to determine the POTENTIAL to go fast.

last thing ive been on for years... lower these stupid easy indexes about -.050 and lets race

jack mccarthy

Bob Pagano · 05-05-2009, 04:26 PM

Boy if thats not the truth, More, it was 11.52 in A/SA over 30 years ago. Now its 11.30 how bad is that, folks have not figured out how to go fast in over 30 years.......crap.

Jack McCarthy · 05-05-2009, 08:28 PM

yeah... moral support !!

jack

442OLDS · 05-07-2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

RJ... i was the one who tagged the AHFS as the automatic help for slugs...

it seems to me the whole issue surrounds those who have chosen thier combos poorly and believe like our new president and congress that taking from those (who can go fast) will help those who dont wanna work.

jack mccarthy

Jack,

You ran 14.00 in U/SA at Belle Rose.One of your fellow competitors ran 13.03 in U/SA.
Are you saying that you chose a poor combo?Don't work on your car?

I have one of the slowest cars in Stock Eliminator (choose a poor combo,and only change oil),yet I am still within a second of the cars in my class.

Don Kennedy · 05-07-2009, 09:15 PM

Lynn:

I know you have a handle on the correct way to do the ahfs. so for us dumbies could you explain the correct scientific method .
Thanks
Don Kennedy

Jim Woods · 05-06-2009, 08:24 AM

Evan , We at the ssssa would like to see you at our lakeland race may 23-24. come on over

Ed Wright · 05-06-2009, 08:35 AM

Eddie Rezac for president!!!!!

05-02-2009, 07:09 AM	#1
RJ Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 248 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ahfs I remember someone calling the AHFS system "automatic help for slugs" awhile back. I don't see in the AHFS policy on NHRA's site where slow combos get hp off, what was the moniker in reference to?

05-02-2009, 09:11 AM	#2
Angelo DiTocco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY, NY Posts: 750 Likes: 175 Liked 189 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Ahfs i belive that reference was directed at the racers with slow cars/combos that complained about fast cars so often to nhra that they decided to implement an automatic system even when they knew there would be no way to create such a system without flaws. hence the term "help for slugs" ..... help for the slow by punishing the fast. you can send a letter to nhra requesting a reduction of hp for a combo... they will look at similar data and decide if the combo deserves a reduction based on their formulas..... they do that twice a year midway through and at the end of the season. __________________ Angelo DiTocco '98 Firebird SS/HA '98 Firebird B/SA Last edited by Angelo DiTocco; 05-05-2009 at 03:02 PM.

05-02-2009, 09:22 AM	#3
RJ Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 248 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ahfs Thanks Angelo, I'm not trying to get hp off, I was just was wondering where the term came from.

05-05-2009, 12:55 PM	#4
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 457 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Ahfs RJ... i was the one who tagged the AHFS as the automatic help for slugs... it seems to me the whole issue surrounds those who have chosen thier combos poorly and believe like our new president and congress that taking from those (who can go fast) will help those who dont wanna work. i am also the one who has screamed from the mountain tops that the AHFS "can not and will not ever work" because we can manipulate the input (see -1.408 thread). END OF STORY. the only way to police this is with a committee of intelligent people (none in glendora we know) who can study data from runs (and allow for atmosphere) and then look at each combo in question to determine the POTENTIAL to go fast. last thing ive been on for years... lower these stupid easy indexes about -.050 and lets race jack mccarthy __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

05-05-2009, 04:26 PM	#5
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 238 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Ahfs Boy if thats not the truth, More, it was 11.52 in A/SA over 30 years ago. Now its 11.30 how bad is that, folks have not figured out how to go fast in over 30 years.......crap. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

05-05-2009, 08:28 PM	#6
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 457 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Ahfs yeah... moral support !! jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

05-07-2009, 09:15 PM	#8
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Ahfs Lynn: I know you have a handle on the correct way to do the ahfs. so for us dumbies could you explain the correct scientific method . Thanks Don Kennedy __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 05-07-2009 at 10:13 PM.

05-06-2009, 08:24 AM	#9
Jim Woods Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: celina, ohio Posts: 623 Likes: 4 Liked 12 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Ahfs Evan , We at the ssssa would like to see you at our lakeland race may 23-24. come on over __________________ Jim Woods

05-06-2009, 08:35 AM	#10
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Ahfs Eddie Rezac for president!!!!! __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA