my opinion - Page 6

sprnova · 12-04-2009, 05:04 PM

I second what Jeff said. Why fix something that works for everybody but you? 1 Get out and actually make laps in your car instead of having a national event only car. If I recall right last year at the national open you made one hit to qualify then loaded up and went home. Why not stay and PRACTICE. 2 I know you have an adj. button for your trans break. That's good. Why not get under the car and adj the break. There are all kinds of things you can adj. to help your situation. Just get out and do them instead of wasting your time on the computer trying to convince others to change to better you.

Jeff I also know where there is a good working Ed Quay Camaro for sell, top qualifier almost anywhere.

Manny Sousa · 12-04-2009, 05:26 PM

I don't think going to a Pro Tree is going to help one's R/T. In actuallity, it will hinder it, especially a 4 tenths Pro Tree. If you want to allow deep staging with this new setup, then please tell me why it cannot be allowed with the current, full tree setup? The goal in each is to allow the chance for the slow car to have a better light. Also, if a Pro Tree is used, and there is a spot of any significance, the faster car is going to be at a disadvantage. Try it at a Test N Tune session if you don't believe me. The rules are fine how they are.

I think consistently practicing is the only viable option to make one's self better. Of course change is never a bad thing, but if it isn't beneficial to ALL competitor's, it isn't good at all. I get the idea of making a level playing field and I believe the current system is the best way.

Oh, and before anyone suggest's an "instant green" tree, let me just say this would never ever work! I guarantee you the fastest (ie. E/T and MPH, not according to index) car would win every time if they just considered the math and can cover someone at the stripe within a wheatfield...

Just my .02 cents.

Manny Sousa

Haywood · 12-04-2009, 07:03 PM

Any slow car that deep stages also loses rollout and some free ET to be #1 qualifier.

Mike Carr · 12-04-2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny Sousa

I don't think going to a Pro Tree is going to help one's R/T. In actuallity, it will hinder it, especially a 4 tenths Pro Tree. If you want to allow deep staging with this new setup, then please tell me why it cannot be allowed with the current, full tree setup? The goal in each is to allow the chance for the slow car to have a better light. Also, if a Pro Tree is used, and there is a spot of any significance, the faster car is going to be at a disadvantage. Try it at a Test N Tune session if you don't believe me. The rules are fine how they are.

I think consistently practicing is the only viable option to make one's self better. Of course change is never a bad thing, but if it isn't beneficial to ALL competitor's, it isn't good at all. I get the idea of making a level playing field and I believe the current system is the best way.

Oh, and before anyone suggest's an "instant green" tree, let me just say this would never ever work! I guarantee you the fastest (ie. E/T and MPH, not according to index) car would win every time if they just considered the math and can cover someone at the stripe within a wheatfield...

Just my .02 cents.

Manny Sousa

Manny, I agree with leaving things alone as they are. But, I have to differ on the last part, about fast cars winning on an Instant Green. 2001 (I think that was the year) there was an Instant Green race at the Division 1 race at Maple Grove. One for Stock, one for Super Stock. Sal Biondo in Andy Boltz's GT/IA won, running mid to high 10's, against much slower cars. Of course, Sal is better than most of us. But it can be done with a slower car. I forget who won Stock, but I think it was Dave Lebrun (C/SA) and Bob Broadbent (F/S) in the final...I could be wrong about those two.

Nitro Joe Jackson · 12-04-2009, 09:43 PM

when are you guys going to learn when Don says something, just let it go, you are arguing with a buzz saw, he is my buddy but I will not debate him in anything cause its like talking to a lawyer, lol.
After a while i feel like Rocky and say "Cut me Mick"

lol

I'm i right Lynn???

TOSTO RACING · 12-04-2009, 09:52 PM

pro tree vote here

Manny Sousa · 12-04-2009, 10:02 PM

Mike Carr, you have a PM.

Manny Sousa

Don Kennedy · 12-04-2009, 10:20 PM

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Evan Smith · 12-05-2009, 09:41 AM

Then why are you asking for a change, or at least proposing it? No one just want to make such a major change "because." You must have some logical reasoning for proposing the move to make S/SS pro-tree classes.

I'm not knocking you for offering the opinion, but I would like to know your reasoning.

Evan

ken robinson · 12-05-2009, 12:48 PM

Try asking santa for a practice tree and use it instead of wasting your time posting B.S. If you are not cutting the lights you need on a full tree the pro tree is not going to help you or hurt your competion ! Alittle red too much this season Mr Don ???

12-04-2009, 05:04 PM	#51
sprnova Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: my opinion I second what Jeff said. Why fix something that works for everybody but you? 1 Get out and actually make laps in your car instead of having a national event only car. If I recall right last year at the national open you made one hit to qualify then loaded up and went home. Why not stay and PRACTICE. 2 I know you have an adj. button for your trans break. That's good. Why not get under the car and adj the break. There are all kinds of things you can adj. to help your situation. Just get out and do them instead of wasting your time on the computer trying to convince others to change to better you. Jeff I also know where there is a good working Ed Quay Camaro for sell, top qualifier almost anywhere.

12-04-2009, 05:26 PM	#52
Manny Sousa Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 36 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: my opinion I don't think going to a Pro Tree is going to help one's R/T. In actuallity, it will hinder it, especially a 4 tenths Pro Tree. If you want to allow deep staging with this new setup, then please tell me why it cannot be allowed with the current, full tree setup? The goal in each is to allow the chance for the slow car to have a better light. Also, if a Pro Tree is used, and there is a spot of any significance, the faster car is going to be at a disadvantage. Try it at a Test N Tune session if you don't believe me. The rules are fine how they are. I think consistently practicing is the only viable option to make one's self better. Of course change is never a bad thing, but if it isn't beneficial to ALL competitor's, it isn't good at all. I get the idea of making a level playing field and I believe the current system is the best way. Oh, and before anyone suggest's an "instant green" tree, let me just say this would never ever work! I guarantee you the fastest (ie. E/T and MPH, not according to index) car would win every time if they just considered the math and can cover someone at the stripe within a wheatfield... Just my .02 cents. Manny Sousa

12-04-2009, 07:03 PM	#53
Haywood Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: my opinion Any slow car that deep stages also loses rollout and some free ET to be #1 qualifier.

12-04-2009, 09:43 PM	#55
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 58 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: my opinion when are you guys going to learn when Don says something, just let it go, you are arguing with a buzz saw, he is my buddy but I will not debate him in anything cause its like talking to a lawyer, lol. After a while i feel like Rocky and say "Cut me Mick" lol I'm i right Lynn??? __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

12-04-2009, 09:52 PM	#56
TOSTO RACING Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: DRAGSTRIP Posts: 886 Likes: 883 Liked 652 Times in 184 Posts	Re: my opinion pro tree vote here __________________ 5664 GHI/SA 1985 CAMARO RED H/SA 1985 CAMARO BLUE I/SA

12-04-2009, 10:02 PM	#57
Manny Sousa Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 36 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: my opinion Mike Carr, you have a PM. Manny Sousa

12-04-2009, 10:20 PM	#58
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: my opinion .. __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 12-07-2009 at 11:54 PM.

12-05-2009, 09:41 AM	#59
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: my opinion Then why are you asking for a change, or at least proposing it? No one just want to make such a major change "because." You must have some logical reasoning for proposing the move to make S/SS pro-tree classes. I'm not knocking you for offering the opinion, but I would like to know your reasoning. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

12-05-2009, 12:48 PM	#60
ken robinson Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: tomsriver nj Posts: 479 Likes: 74 Liked 215 Times in 86 Posts	Re: my opinion Try asking santa for a practice tree and use it instead of wasting your time posting B.S. If you are not cutting the lights you need on a full tree the pro tree is not going to help you or hurt your competion ! Alittle red too much this season Mr Don ???