The Future Of Stock - Page 6

MikeMoller · 04-17-2017, 09:45 PM

I forsee 'Factory Stock' replacing pro stock. As far as regular stock, I believe it will eventually become one or two brackets, a slower bracket(11.0 and slower) and a faster bracket(10.99 and quicker). Rules would be tire size, no body mods(stock appearing) and corporate drivetrain. Any NA induction system, no throttle stops or transbrakes. In other words, since we have highly restrictive rules for our current 'bracket' racing, I see rules being loosened, cost might come down and ease of build would go up,indexes gone, national records gone, just build something that is stock appearing (easier for newbies) and bracket racing is the result. Same could happen to Super Stock, it might even be combined. I think it is a shame it would go this way, but just my opinion.

ALMACK · 04-17-2017, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMoller

I forsee 'Factory Stock' replacing pro stock. As far as regular stock, I believe it will eventually become one or two brackets, a slower bracket(11.0 and slower) and a faster bracket(10.99 and quicker). Rules would be tire size, no body mods(stock appearing) and corporate drivetrain. Any NA induction system, no throttle stops or transbrakes. In other words, since we have highly restrictive rules for our current 'bracket' racing, I see rules being loosened, cost might come down and ease of build would go up,indexes gone, national records gone, just build something that is stock appearing (easier for newbies) and bracket racing is the result. Same could happen to Super Stock, it might even be combined. I think it is a shame it would go this way, but just my opinion.

National Dragster is no longer listing the 1/4 mile national records

7 issues into this year and none published yet.

Could be a sign of the future

Mark Yacavone · 04-17-2017, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMoller

I forsee 'Factory Stock' replacing pro stock. As far as regular stock, I believe it will eventually become one or two brackets, a slower bracket(11.0 and slower) and a faster bracket(10.99 and quicker). Rules would be tire size, no body mods(stock appearing) and corporate drivetrain. Any NA induction system, no throttle stops or transbrakes. In other words, since we have highly restrictive rules for our current 'bracket' racing, I see rules being loosened, cost might come down and ease of build would go up,indexes gone, national records gone, just build something that is stock appearing (easier for newbies) and bracket racing is the result. Same could happen to Super Stock, it might even be combined. I think it is a shame it would go this way, but just my opinion.

Mike, I was just getting ready to make a similar point.
I know Evan's heart is in the right place, but further diluting Stock with crate motors, LS 1 conversions, etc., is just sending it further down the road to Pro bracket.
Might as well just get it over with.
Any American car body, stock hood , glass windows, and no tires sticking out.
Call it Stock,if you want to, then just dial 'em in.

J.R. Haddad · 04-17-2017, 11:18 PM

I'm sorry to see so many people down about Stock Eliminator. The car
counts at points meets range from good to really good to great depending
on the division. We are a financial asset to NHRA. The biggest problem
appears to be entering a National Event in our own neighborhood or
division. I would suggest our reps work on this PERIOD. We know the
rules, let's quit trying to change them for the better or self serving
reasons. The parking plans have allotment at every National Event for
24 T/F, F/C & P/S teams. They are getting 16 on a good day. That is
24 large spots available. The Alcohol classes get 20 x 2 reserved, at Houston they have 28 actual. 12 more medium spots available. Our S/S
brothers have 17 spots left. S/C has 8 left over, S/G 18 & Super Street
has 3. Top Sportsman has 14 Top Dragster 4 and T/F Harley 11.
That's 111 spots plus revenue for NHRA. At 30 days prior to closing of entry's, start allotting low entry classes spots to high entry classes. Do it again 2 weeks out. Gives Stock a chance to race closer to home. Sort
this out with NHRA now, the reps should not worry about anything else for the time being. If NHRA is not receptive, then we will know we are not wanted, we can then shut up, move on golf, race lawnmowers, or
whatever else we can find that is more fun. My opinion, your mileage
may vary. J.R. Haddad.

Everett Vassar · 04-18-2017, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone

You want more participation GET OFF INTERWEB..
Same people crying about same things Most of you have quit already
Yet still so bitter about grade points.If it was easy EVERYONE WOULD BE DOING IT
Please Ken can we get a PURE STOCK section just for Dan his opinion is self serving

What James said...it's not for everybody. I have twice as much in our stocker than in our best bracket car, complaining? No..having fun? Yes. Learning how to tune a Q jet among other things. ..but..if I see a car like mine show up legal with a 3K crate motor and a 650 Holley will mean I just wasted a bunch of money.

Alan Roehrich · 04-18-2017, 07:08 AM

Funny, every time someone "comes up with an idea to save Stock Eliminator" it involves radically changing the character of the entire class.

It's "crate motors and GT" this week. Next week it's "no more heads up". Something else, the week after.

NHRA is what is hurting Stock Eliminator, if anything is, and "reinventing the class" is not going to help that.

Oh, and I remember quoting someone $22K for a Stock Eliminator 396/375 about 3 years ago, from all new parts, for a guy who didn't have a quart of oil or a box of spark plugs to start with. I was told that was high, even for all new aftermarket parts, and a 1.1 second under guarantee. I guess a $30K-$40K 396/375 Stock Eliminator engine includes a lot of cheating, and runs 1.5 under.

rod butcher · 04-18-2017, 09:12 AM

The future of stock is pretty bright in D1. Also in D3 @ Bowling Green I have been there when we had a bump a few years back. 180 cars show up @ Indy for 128 spots, I don't see a problem with the future of the class. NHRA knows where their bread is buttered.

Bob Don · 04-18-2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rod butcher

The future of stock is pretty bright in D1. Also in D3 @ Bowling Green I have been there when we had a bump a few years back. 180 cars show up @ Indy for 128 spots, I don't see a problem with the future of the class. NHRA knows where their bread is buttered.

You're right, Rod. Everyone's trying to fix something that isn't broken.

Jason Fuller · 04-18-2017, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Don

You're right, Rod. Everyone's trying to fix something that isn't broken.

I Believe NHRA is Broken and is bullying around everybody who shows up to your game. Am I wrong?

Jim Caughlin · 04-18-2017, 11:46 AM

Total number of cars that collected points in the Lucas series in 2016:
Stock 1105
SS 793
SG 939
SC 1114

Not to knock SG and SC but they are certainly more suited to cross over to bracket racing. In other words, a guy that is building dual purpose car is more likely to build an SG/SC car than a Stock/SS car. Based on the numbers above, is Stock & SS dead? Doesn't look like it to me.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

04-17-2017, 09:45 PM	#51
MikeMoller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 637 Likes: 27 Liked 254 Times in 78 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock I forsee 'Factory Stock' replacing pro stock. As far as regular stock, I believe it will eventually become one or two brackets, a slower bracket(11.0 and slower) and a faster bracket(10.99 and quicker). Rules would be tire size, no body mods(stock appearing) and corporate drivetrain. Any NA induction system, no throttle stops or transbrakes. In other words, since we have highly restrictive rules for our current 'bracket' racing, I see rules being loosened, cost might come down and ease of build would go up,indexes gone, national records gone, just build something that is stock appearing (easier for newbies) and bracket racing is the result. Same could happen to Super Stock, it might even be combined. I think it is a shame it would go this way, but just my opinion. __________________ Mike Moller NHRA 203 Q-R-T/SA

04-17-2017, 11:18 PM	#54
J.R. Haddad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 785 Likes: 939 Liked 1,468 Times in 308 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock I'm sorry to see so many people down about Stock Eliminator. The car counts at points meets range from good to really good to great depending on the division. We are a financial asset to NHRA. The biggest problem appears to be entering a National Event in our own neighborhood or division. I would suggest our reps work on this PERIOD. We know the rules, let's quit trying to change them for the better or self serving reasons. The parking plans have allotment at every National Event for 24 T/F, F/C & P/S teams. They are getting 16 on a good day. That is 24 large spots available. The Alcohol classes get 20 x 2 reserved, at Houston they have 28 actual. 12 more medium spots available. Our S/S brothers have 17 spots left. S/C has 8 left over, S/G 18 & Super Street has 3. Top Sportsman has 14 Top Dragster 4 and T/F Harley 11. That's 111 spots plus revenue for NHRA. At 30 days prior to closing of entry's, start allotting low entry classes spots to high entry classes. Do it again 2 weeks out. Gives Stock a chance to race closer to home. Sort this out with NHRA now, the reps should not worry about anything else for the time being. If NHRA is not receptive, then we will know we are not wanted, we can then shut up, move on golf, race lawnmowers, or whatever else we can find that is more fun. My opinion, your mileage may vary. J.R. Haddad.

04-18-2017, 07:08 AM	#56
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,115 Likes: 1,572 Liked 1,829 Times in 414 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock Funny, every time someone "comes up with an idea to save Stock Eliminator" it involves radically changing the character of the entire class. It's "crate motors and GT" this week. Next week it's "no more heads up". Something else, the week after. NHRA is what is hurting Stock Eliminator, if anything is, and "reinventing the class" is not going to help that. Oh, and I remember quoting someone $22K for a Stock Eliminator 396/375 about 3 years ago, from all new parts, for a guy who didn't have a quart of oil or a box of spark plugs to start with. I was told that was high, even for all new aftermarket parts, and a 1.1 second under guarantee. I guess a $30K-$40K 396/375 Stock Eliminator engine includes a lot of cheating, and runs 1.5 under. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

04-18-2017, 09:12 AM	#57
rod butcher Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 Likes: 303 Liked 132 Times in 27 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock The future of stock is pretty bright in D1. Also in D3 @ Bowling Green I have been there when we had a bump a few years back. 180 cars show up @ Indy for 128 spots, I don't see a problem with the future of the class. NHRA knows where their bread is buttered.

04-18-2017, 11:46 AM	#60
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 685 Likes: 82 Liked 805 Times in 245 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock Total number of cars that collected points in the Lucas series in 2016: Stock 1105 SS 793 SG 939 SC 1114 Not to knock SG and SC but they are certainly more suited to cross over to bracket racing. In other words, a guy that is building dual purpose car is more likely to build an SG/SC car than a Stock/SS car. Based on the numbers above, is Stock & SS dead? Doesn't look like it to me. Jim Caughlin SS 6019