And the penalties are??? - Page 6

Crisco · 03-19-2021, 08:19 AM

In your (everyone) opinion, does this QFT Stock/Super Stock legal carb have "polished" boosters?

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GUMP · 03-19-2021, 08:28 AM

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You cannot actually believe that a competitor who inaccurately fills in their tech card, not resulting in any sort of competitive advantage can be compared to or given the same penalty as an illegal driveline component?

Why not? One is done to win a heads-up run. The other is done to dodge one. The outcome is the same. Why should the penalty be different?

SS/GSI · 03-19-2021, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

Why not? One is done to win a heads-up run. The other is done to dodge one. The outcome is the same. Why should the penalty be different?

GUMP...or whoever you really are...I guess some keyboard legend since I see you are a VIP Member! Bryan Worner has probably had more SS heads ups, in the eliminator, in the last 15years, than anybody I know. He has won them all! The race Bryan was speaking of, that he got tossed from, he was kicked out in the 2nd round and yes on his way to a potential heads up, where he did have that competitor covered on ET. If you read carefully to what Bryan and I said, the change in year did not affect any performance gain for him. It was a mistake, he took his "punishment" like a man, loaded up and went home. His POINT was that a tech card infraction and illegal driveline component, although both deemed as cheating, cannot or should not be given the same level of punishment. IMHO

pmrphil · 03-19-2021, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 1347

Isn't there an appeal process? And if so, who listens ans rules on the appeal?

Don't they charge you to file an appeal?

I'd be willing to donate to that cause.

GUMP · 03-19-2021, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SS/GSI

GUMP...or whoever you really are...I guess some keyboard legend since I see you are a VIP Member!

My name is Daren Poole-Adams.

James Perrone · 03-19-2021, 01:42 PM

Tech officials control tear downs make decisions on parts
Home office California makes the call on penalties $$$$
It’s nhra fault for having no tech.
Some people try and take advantage and you get what happened at Gainesville
Human nature. Take the easiest path to victory.

NHRA1926 · 03-19-2021, 02:41 PM

I was there at the tech trailer in Gainesville when they tore Mr. Summers down. They had to take pictures of the carburetor and send those pictures via cell phone to some one NOT at the tech trailer, and I assume NOT even at the event. Why would they have to do that? Are the tech officials at the race not qualified enough to determine if the carb was illegal? This is the second time NHRA has confiscated one of Mr. Summers Carburetors, and NO they did not let him have either one back! That is theft in my opinion. Why do they keep it? Why has that carburetor passed tear down at SEVERAL other divisional races, then all the sudden not pass at another? And again, WHY are they sending pictures to some one "Off sight" to make the decision if it's illegal? If Venturi size and throttle blade size are the determining factors, how can they say "Polished Boosters", which they actually told him were, "Too Shiny" be the reason for saying it's illegal? I guess NHRA can make up any reason to say the carburetor is "Modified". The NHRA rule book should specifically state in black and white with actual descriptions of what is illegal. It shouldn't be up to the tech inspectors at the event to make a determination without showing the competitor specifically what is illegal with the parts in question. The tech officials wouldn't even show Mr. Summers where in the rule book that he violated the rules! They just told him that it was, "Modified", again, with no specific rule pointed out from the rule book. It's like they just determined it was modified, and how bad don't you like it, and oh by the way, we are keeping your carburetor.

novassdude · 03-19-2021, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NHRA1926

I was there at the tech trailer in Gainesville when they tore Mr. Summers down. They had to take pictures of the carburetor and send those pictures via cell phone to some one NOT at the tech trailer, and I assume NOT even at the event. Why would they have to do that? Are the tech officials at the race not qualified enough to determine if the carb was illegal? This is the second time NHRA has confiscated one of Mr. Summers Carburetors, and NO they did not let him have either one back! That is theft in my opinion. Why do they keep it? Why has that carburetor passed tear down at SEVERAL other divisional races, then all the sudden not pass at another? And again, WHY are they sending pictures to some one "Off sight" to make the decision if it's illegal? If Venturi size and throttle blade size are the determining factors, how can they say "Polished Boosters", which they actually told him were, "Too Shiny" be the reason for saying it's illegal? I guess NHRA can make up any reason to say the carburetor is "Modified". The NHRA rule book should specifically state in black and white with actual descriptions of what is illegal. It shouldn't be up to the tech inspectors at the event to make a determination without showing the competitor specifically what is illegal with the parts in question. The tech officials wouldn't even show Mr. Summers where in the rule book that he violated the rules! They just told him that it was, "Modified", again, with no specific rule pointed out from the rule book. It's like they just determined it was modified, and how bad don't you like it, and oh by the way, we are keeping your carburetor.

Remember the way the rule book is written if it does not say you can you can't. Under the Carburetor for stock It list what you can do and says you can not modify the external parts in any way.

L.Fite · 03-19-2021, 05:25 PM

From the NHRA Replacement parts list under NOTES

Replacement Carbs -
*All venturi dimensions include the .015" maximum allowance/tolerance for Rochester Qudrajets/Edelbrock replacements and
.005" for all other carburetors.
- Modifications are limited to disabling the choke operating mechanism; replacing boosters, jets, needles and seats, accelerator
pumps (with same volume only), and squirters; replacing or modifying float assemblies and metering rods; resizing existing fuel
and air bleed passages; and drilling idle holes in the primary throttle plates. The original bodies, base plates, float bowls, and
metering blocks are required.

NHRA1926 · 03-19-2021, 07:38 PM

Ok, Summers did not modify any external parts. It states that boosters can be replaced, well his boosters are the originals from the manufacturer! So how can they say they were modified, if the rules state that they can be replaced? Again, they claimed that they were, "Too shiny". Where does it state in the rule book that they can't be, " Too shiny"!

03-19-2021, 08:19 AM	#51
Crisco Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hendersonville, TN 37075 Posts: 225 Likes: 4 Liked 44 Times in 20 Posts	Re: And the penalties are??? In your (everyone) opinion, does this QFT Stock/Super Stock legal carb have "polished" boosters? Click the link.... https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...325/QF1004.jpg

03-19-2021, 01:42 PM	#56
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,677 Likes: 3,381 Liked 1,823 Times in 426 Posts	Re: And the penalties are??? Tech officials control tear downs make decisions on parts Home office California makes the call on penalties $$$$ It’s nhra fault for having no tech. Some people try and take advantage and you get what happened at Gainesville Human nature. Take the easiest path to victory. __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

03-19-2021, 02:41 PM	#57
NHRA1926 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bowling green, Ky Posts: 238 Likes: 12 Liked 230 Times in 68 Posts	Re: And the penalties are??? I was there at the tech trailer in Gainesville when they tore Mr. Summers down. They had to take pictures of the carburetor and send those pictures via cell phone to some one NOT at the tech trailer, and I assume NOT even at the event. Why would they have to do that? Are the tech officials at the race not qualified enough to determine if the carb was illegal? This is the second time NHRA has confiscated one of Mr. Summers Carburetors, and NO they did not let him have either one back! That is theft in my opinion. Why do they keep it? Why has that carburetor passed tear down at SEVERAL other divisional races, then all the sudden not pass at another? And again, WHY are they sending pictures to some one "Off sight" to make the decision if it's illegal? If Venturi size and throttle blade size are the determining factors, how can they say "Polished Boosters", which they actually told him were, "Too Shiny" be the reason for saying it's illegal? I guess NHRA can make up any reason to say the carburetor is "Modified". The NHRA rule book should specifically state in black and white with actual descriptions of what is illegal. It shouldn't be up to the tech inspectors at the event to make a determination without showing the competitor specifically what is illegal with the parts in question. The tech officials wouldn't even show Mr. Summers where in the rule book that he violated the rules! They just told him that it was, "Modified", again, with no specific rule pointed out from the rule book. It's like they just determined it was modified, and how bad don't you like it, and oh by the way, we are keeping your carburetor.

03-19-2021, 05:25 PM	#59
L.Fite Senior Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 516 Likes: 551 Liked 497 Times in 243 Posts	Re: And the penalties are??? From the NHRA Replacement parts list under NOTES Replacement Carbs - *All venturi dimensions include the .015" maximum allowance/tolerance for Rochester Qudrajets/Edelbrock replacements and .005" for all other carburetors. - Modifications are limited to disabling the choke operating mechanism; replacing boosters, jets, needles and seats, accelerator pumps (with same volume only), and squirters; replacing or modifying float assemblies and metering rods; resizing existing fuel and air bleed passages; and drilling idle holes in the primary throttle plates. The original bodies, base plates, float bowls, and metering blocks are required.

03-19-2021, 07:38 PM	#60
NHRA1926 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bowling green, Ky Posts: 238 Likes: 12 Liked 230 Times in 68 Posts	Re: And the penalties are??? Ok, Summers did not modify any external parts. It states that boosters can be replaced, well his boosters are the originals from the manufacturer! So how can they say they were modified, if the rules state that they can be replaced? Again, they claimed that they were, "Too shiny". Where does it state in the rule book that they can't be, " Too shiny"!