AA/SA Sorensen @ Woodburn

[RJ Sledge]

Jim

John's best run this year was a 10.01 @ the Winters, don't have a mph. He ran 9.810 at the Virginia Nat'ls last year and according to Nitro Joe .

Alan according to Nitro's stats the Sorensen's pass at Woodburn he outperformed over HALF of the SS/DA cars this year and over a THIRD of the SS/CA cars and 2 of the SS/BA cars this year. Even you have to admit that is a little hard to swallow after looking at the Stats.

Hear no evil, speak no evil and see no evil .

You guys need to give it a rest, Big Ed ain't going away.

RJ

[L Peterson6261]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Ed, why is it you insist on comparing a FAST Stock Eliminator car to an AVERAGE Super Stock car? Other than it is the only way you can "prove" your bogus point. An average Stock Eliminator 427 car runs 9.90, and an average Super Stock 427 car runs about 9.30. So what?

That's the thing about you Ed, you can't seem to grasp success can come from dedication and hard work. In your world, consistently very low reaction times mean the driver cheats. And consistently quick ET's mean the engine builder cheats. That's your story Ed, everyone who is good, fast, or wins much is cheating.

Well Ed, are you going to call Bobby DeArmond and Gary McGlasson cheaters? Because they aren't far behind the Sorensons, if they are even behind them.

Here's the deal, the Sorensons have been flogging the exact same combination for years. Same as Bobby and Gary. They've got more time and effort invested in those two cars than you have in your life. It's sort of like the guys you think are cheating because they have real low reaction times and win races. They make more passes in a year than you make in a decade.

That's enough time wasted on you, Ed, I have better things to do. Joe and Hal have put us another tenth behind. So I need to get to work. See, that's how you figure out how to go fast, you work. They have the same combination we do, and they're faster. But I'm not going to accuse them of cheating. Instead, I'm going to go to work and try to figure out what they know that I don't, it's evidently a fair amount. But what the Hell, they only have a 15-20 year head start on us, like Bobby and Gary do. They know what doesn't work, they've had time to figure it out, and we haven't yet.

You cry and whine all you want Ed, the rest of us will go get to work and try to catch them the honest way, with hard work and dedication. Meanwhile you can accuse people of cheating, and see if you can get someone to listen. Most of the rest of us know better.

Alan,

You got it spot on!!!!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Alan, will you be at Atlanta and Silver Dollar? Jim

Jim,
It's Kevin's world, I'm just a guy with a wrench, along for the ride.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by r sledge

Alan according to Nitro's stats the Sorensen's pass at Woodburn he outperformed over HALF of the SS/DA cars this year and over a THIRD of the SS/CA cars and 2 of the SS/BA cars this year. Even you have to admit that is a little hard to swallow after looking at the Stats.
RJ

r sledge,
You should consider several factors when looking at that data.

1. How many of them have been in good air?
2. How many of them have tried to set a record?
3. How many of them have tried to win class?
4. How many of them were running a heads up run?

If the answer to question 1 is not yes, then the rest do not matter. If the answer to question 1 is yes, then you can look at questions 2, 3, and 4.

If number 2 applies, look at how close they came, or if they got it, as well as whether or not it was at "minimum" when they set it.

If number 3 or 4 applies, you have to look at whether or not they had real competition.

But number 1 has to apply in all cases.

But again, why would you compare the fastest Stock Eliminator car to the average Super Stock car? It just isn't a fair or valid comparison. You never compare the best to the average to see if the best is cheating. If you're going to compare the record holding Stock Eliminator car to a Super Stock car, you should compare it to the record setting Super Stock car, and NOT an average Super Stock car.

Comparing data is fine, but in order for it to mean anything at all, you have to make a valid comparison between valid data sets, otherwise all you've done is jumble up a bunch of numbers and reach an invalid conclusion.

Further, I notice few are saying anything about the fact that several AA/SA and AA/S cars have run in the low 9.70 zone. Not to mention at least one or two claim to have run in the 9.60 zone in legal trim, one was here on this board 2-3 months ago. A couple of those cars that have run a low 9.70 have been called "paper cars", but no one has claimed they have ported heads and a ported intake.

[RJ Sledge]

Alan

I was just reporting on the Stats and how they compare. You have to decided for yourself, I don't have a dog in this fight. But I really do enjoy the entertainment.

If you people don't realize it by now.......Big Ed is just having fun with you. You know he really is a funny guy.

Later R J

[SStockDart]

Seattle entry: 6633 SS/CA Joe Sorensen Woodburn OR '69 Camaro Chev 427 IRRGON MOTORS/BAM

[mannymen]

L Petersen is missing Ed and Fred's point. IT"S NOT ABOUT BEING TORN DOWN BY A TECH INSPECTOR. IT'S ABOUT WHETHER THE HEADS AND INTAKE ARE PURE PURE PURE AND UNTOUCHED OUT OF THE OF BOX BESIDES A VALVE JOB.

TEARING AN ENGINE DOWN MEANS NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING IN REGARDS TO ED AND FRED'S POINT............................................. ..........

[Bob Pagano]

Oh No the point is we dont answer to Fred and Ed !

[bill dedman]

How long do you think he'll be able to keep that record if the guys with the blown Mustangs decide they want it? 136 mph is a long way from 140...

[davidhuff]

I personally got to witness the nhra officials do a engine tear down on Joe & Hal Sorensen AA/SA RECORD HOLDING 69 CAMARO.I was so impressed with the nhra tech officials with the time they spent to make sure that everything was done properly, professionally and legal(two nhra tech officials spent almost one hour inspecting the intake manifold taking all kind of measurements).Even Cal Method came by to congratulate Joe & Hal on their great accomplishment and that my friend is great sportsmanship.Congrats Joe & Hal on your new OFFICIAL RECORD!
David Huff