2011 ahfs

[Craig Couris]

Let's cut the new car/ old car crap. This is nothing more than a factoring problem. I also have a new Cobra Jet and I can tell you it makes well over 100 horsepower more than my L-88. The Corvette is factored at 440 and the Cobra Jet is factored at 439 and the valve covers have never been off.

The Corvette has been 9.74 so it's no turd.

This is the problem and you must remember that your new car today will be old tomorrow so think about that.

[SS Engine Guy]

Originally Posted by Andys dad

WOW


I ran real fast at Pomona and was only 95 under - that use to be 125 under



Just how many heads up races have been won by the new cars anyway?

How many heads up races have been won by you guys holding so much in reserve?


:-) peace

And had the 3 tenths not been knocked off in order to usher in the new factory race cars you would still be 1.25 under which is an extremely good performance from your combo!

-- How many heads ups have been won by the new cars? I take that to mean the dps and fords.......wayyyy to many seeing that these cars haven't had the time to do the 10 year thrash for that last little bit of et.

--How many heads ups have been won by the guys holding so much in reserve? Enough to get hp on combos (under the ahfs) that in a perfect world (ie: first to the finish line and legal to the rule book) shouldn't have been given out.

Exactly right Craig factoring is the whole problem not the new or old cars. It has been a problem for years and apparantly we are content to let sanctioning bodies dictate our expenditures and our budgets with a pencil, poor tech and protected factors.

[B Aceves]

Now wait just a minute according to Mike from the SRAC this was made of coutless hours and TONS of input from us the Racers I still would like a answer as to where all this INPUT CAME FROM......? Mike, Im not making this a personal attact trust me I just would like some answers, I have nothing against you, I just feel that posting this premature would do exactly what it has, What good does it do for us because we NEVER had a say in the old AHFS
Are you saying that this being up for dicussion before its finalized is actually going to make a difference ??? Please explain

[B Aceves]

Originally Posted by A56

I see many of us are on the same page as far as not being able to run our cars out, and in the future will have no need to upgrade or update our combinations if our limit is 1.0 or a strike at all NHRA races. Now the problem is how de we fix this situation. I personally try not to ever get involved with situations like this as it can end in arguments from conflicting interests. There are many sides to this coin but the simple fact is that we will never be able to run our cars all out, and that bothers me a lot as ive said over and over again in many different ways. To many racers it just dosent make any difference, but to us who treat Stock Eliminator as a Performance based class and enjoy qualifying at the top of the ladder have our hands tied.
I for one did not know that there would be a new AHFS rule, didnt know of any petitions, didnt know that my thoughts would have counted for anything.
To us racers that dont want this unrealistic change is there anything we can do about it or are we to late to the fight? If anyone knows who to contact, who to talk to and how we can be actually heard please say so.

Mark Lelchook
#704 E/SA

Mark, Guess I dont need that new set of Headers we talked about to catch your A-s now,
What we need is Manufactures such as yourself to get involved in this BS to be heard and
have input, To many times I have heard alot of talk at the track but see no results when it comes to the fight so to speak, And the petetion was being passed around at Bakersfield.

[Wade_Owens]

I can see why people dont want to spend any more money on updates or parts. Maybe their goals arent the same as mine. Its a choice to race and I do not live or die by it. I have nothing to gain but pride in how our car runs. I built our car to compete and try to be as fast as possible. I spend countless hours in the shop working on the car. I like the class because you can showcase your ideas, accomplishments or failures to your friends and they understand what your doing and why, sometimes with a laugh saying "I told you that wouldnt work!"
BUT, I can do that very same thing with a lot of different hobbies. So, why should I choose a hobby where my hardwork is rewarded with a giant slap in the face and a 100lbs?

Wade O

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by A56

Bob,

Your right you dont need Headers, heck none of you do anymore, heck I could even slip on a set of old blackjacks as well since there will never be much need to R&D anymore. I wish I saw the petition. More importantly I wish that now we could be heard, but im afraid the fight might be over. As I said, if anyone knows who to talk to, how we can be heard, please let us know. Again ive never been one to get involved with sitautions as this due to the possible arguments from conflict of interest, but this new AHFS system has made me want to stand up tall and say that this is just a real bad idea for the class.

Mark Lelchook
#704 E/SA

Well its not done until its done.....a couple of years back I recall the E-shift drama....and even though if the potential changes are made, they will certainly affect more than just the new cars. As I read it, a stick car can affect an auto car and vice versa......that could have collateral issues not intended....

If the goal is to never go more than .99 under, tuning for 100% consistency and saving some money may be in vougue.....c-12 versus c-14 will slow it down a touch and save some $.....non-lightweight radials last a whole lot longer...don't have to have the super trick gun drilled axles, go for durability instead of aluminum everything in the tranny....might need to change that cam to a milder one too...still plenty of parts to buy, just a slighty different focus.

Assuming of course what Mike posted becomes the rule.

Eric

[Wade_Owens]

Originally Posted by Eric Merryfield

If the goal is to never go more than .99 under, tuning for 100% consistency and saving some money may be in vougue.....c-12 versus c-14 will slow it down a touch and save some $.....non-lightweight radials last a whole lot longer...don't have to have the super trick gun drilled axles, go for durability instead of aluminum everything in the tranny....might need to change that cam to a milder one too...still plenty of parts to buy, just a slighty different focus.
Eric

Eric, I can assure you I will never re-spend 1 dime to slow my car down......

Wade

[rustbucket79]

So with all the complaining going on the easy thing for the NHRA to do would be to lower the indexes by a half second or better and everyone can go back to searching for a better ET.

As an interested bystander it's peculiar to read the complaints on the new cars being under factored on one hand, and in the same breath these people are trying to hide their car's true performance. (1.5+ seconds under their index)

The way I see it, if everyone said screw it and ran their cars to the full potential, other than possible ladder differences (and being refactored over time) you would all be in the same boat as you are now, other than only being able to brag about running a half second or full second under their index as upposed to 1.5+. Where is the glory in having the performance but not showing it? If anything, a racer who triggers ahfs ET should be congratulated for his efforts, plus it forces others in his class to work harder, isn't that what class racing is all about after all?

If NHRA truely wanted to see the potential of every class car, they could eliminate break outs, and go off the index like the Comp racers. That would be some awesome racing to watch!

[Dave Ficacci]

Kent or Mike - Who are the other SRAC council members?

[KingReptile]

Originally Posted by rustbucket79

So with all the complaining going on the easy thing for the NHRA to do would be to lower the indexes by a half second or better and everyone can go back to searching for a better ET.

As an interested bystander it's peculiar to read the complaints on the new cars being under factored on one hand, and in the same breath these people are trying to hide their car's true performance. (1.5+ seconds under their index)

The way I see it, if everyone said screw it and ran their cars to the full potential, other than possible ladder differences (and being refactored over time) you would all be in the same boat as you are now, other than only being able to brag about running a half second or full second under their index as upposed to 1.5+. Where is the glory in having the performance but not showing it? If anything, a racer who triggers ahfs ET should be congratulated for his efforts, plus it forces others in his class to work harder, isn't that what class racing is all about after all?

If NHRA truely wanted to see the potential of every class car, they could eliminate break outs, and go off the index like the Comp racers. That would be some awesome racing to watch!

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