Ok?

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by DYER

I would like to make a few statements to the internet cry babies had to say about the ford hp on the the 302 two barrel engines I don't know anything about the gm changes so all my comments are about the fords and mainly in ss/s tirm. I am the person that bugged pat c. and give facts to make a change . based on nhra and there ahfs system .so here we go #1.mr silverman ; yes they did go back to factory ratings but isn't that where all cars are to start off ie cobra jet drag pack copo and than the ahfs system goes to work. and mr wongs truck to. have you seen any 302 2barrell fords in ss/s running to justify and hp changes ??? #2. mr wong ; iknow you are a true racer and surprise you get caught up in this internet b.s. you may be right has far as summers being soft " but wasn't your truck soft" to start with ??? and than data started to come in and hp was change on runs and data ???right !! #3 mr ness ;yes gary run under in stock trim at a national open so did not and still hasn't gone into any real data to make a change in the ahfs system .#4 mr capizzi; it was the nhra and pat c. who did the right thing after listening to FACTS that there was no data to justify hp on these combos problem so where over the years somebody gave all fords in that year range the same hp pulled out of the air with no data to justify change from factory hp #5 mr denbreeden; yesyour car could be a player with the changes and I sure other ford people out there would have thought of going racing and be coming reg. nhra customers but your right without the changes leave it home in the garage #6 mr.stock 726; as far as pat c. he did the right thing with the FACTS got he was given !!! #7 mr almack so what !! 1.999 under then wont the ahfs system go to work on tues ?? besides I don't think you or I are will trying for # 1 at indy . #8 mr wong ; 2.00 under in stock might be a little bit of a hill to climb with a ford but I would like to see you build a ss/s ford 2barrell combo in those year ranges got could 1 second under !!! . I think that covers everybody that had a comment on ford hp . after what happen here everbody should be up set overinternet cry babbies controlling nhra people and polices rather than real data from real race cars not following there own rules ie afhs system and if anybody out there has real data give it nhra but I don't anybody can find data to justify 210 hp in ss/s thanks bill dyer ss/n 85 mustang and yes I can run a second + under I am not bench racing here !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh, Bill,
My post number 9 was a joke. That's why it has " lol " after the joke.

I personnally am looking at the 1978 Granada combo because it looks alot better now.

If Mr. Summers can go 1.6xx under with the older hp ratings, I think the new "139 hp" should work just fine,

[Stocker 2]

Originally Posted by denbreeden

2013 Stock/Super Stock Horsepower Correction Adjustment Reconsideration

After further internal conversations as well as discussions with the SRAC, the NHRA Technical Department has reconsidered the recent horsepower adjustments which were announced on August 6, 2013. All announced adjustments will be reverted back to their original values prior to the August 6th announcement. These combinations will be reviewed during the standard end of the year review.
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When is the Classguide going to be changed back? It still shows the horsepowers as of 8/6/13. How can we be sure what the old horsepowers were without NHRAracer.com changing the data back?

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Originally Posted by Stocker 2

When is the Classguide going to be changed back? It still shows the horsepowers as of 8/6/13. How can we be sure what the old horsepowers were without NHRAracer.com changing the data back?

Sure seems like that reconsideration bulletin was a smoke screen...

[Mike Carr]

After one session:

1 3499 U/S Gary Summers, Franklin KY, '78 Mustang 13.255 14.65 -1.395

The second run, he just ran 13.00, at only 89 mph (-1.64 and change).

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

After one session:

1 3499 U/S Gary Summers, Franklin KY, '78 Mustang 13.255 14.65 -1.395

The second run, he just ran 13.00, at only 89 mph (-1.64 and change).

WOW.............!!! 12.74???
Should be in the Q/SA class

Is Allan Macklins a 86 Turbo T'Bird?
WOW ....that is fast...

D

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

After one session:

1 3499 U/S Gary Summers, Franklin KY, '78 Mustang 13.255 14.65 -1.395

The second run, he just ran 13.00, at only 89 mph (-1.64 and change).

Yep....Mr. Summers is 1.6xx under....again.

Of course NHRA "gifted" him 23 h.p. ( on Aug 6th) .
Was 162 and now 139 hp.

Good for him.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

WOW.............!!! 12.74???
Should be in the Q/SA class

Is Allan Macklins a 86 Turbo T'Bird?
WOW ....that is fast...

D

Dan:
Yes, I bought Marty Buth's ol' 1986 Turbo Coupe four cylinder car.
Real happy with the purchase too....set all of the Q/SA records that day in May with it in my first NHRA event.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Dan:
Yes, I bought Marty Buth's ol' 1986 Turbo Coupe four cylinder car.
Real happy with the purchase too....set all of the Q/SA records that day in May with it in my first NHRA event.

With a little more boost..
and
based on the Maverick ...you will have a 11 second Q Stocker in the making..

OMG....!!

Holy CoPo !!!

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

With a little more boost..
and
based on the Maverick ...you will have a 11 second Q Stocker in the making..

OMG....!!

Holy CoPo !!!

I tried more boost (accidently) , but without an intercooler (which isn't allowed) the extra heat generated negated any gain. It was a wash.

From here I need to focus on suspension mods to gain an extra 5 hundreths or so. Car has stock 1986 rear control arms and springs, stock 1986 quad shocks and stock '86 front struts and springs. Lotsa room for improvement.

However, I will say that I don't have many runs with the car, so I still have a lot of experimenting to do ( i.e. shift points, stronger brakes for more stall, lowering the front end, etc. )

Car ran in the 11's a couple of years ago in 45 deg. air in Michigan. (with Marty driving)
LOL...the little 4 that could.

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Originally Posted by DYER

I would like to make a few statements to the internet cry babies had to say about the ford hp on the the 302 two barrel engines I don't know anything about the gm changes so all my comments are about the fords and mainly in ss/s tirm. I am the person that bugged pat c. and give facts to make a change . based on nhra and there ahfs system .so here we go #1.mr silverman ; yes they did go back to factory ratings but isn't that where all cars are to start off ie cobra jet drag pack copo and than the ahfs system goes to work. and mr wongs truck to. have you seen any 302 2barrell fords in ss/s running to justify and hp changes ??? #2. mr wong ; iknow you are a true racer and surprise you get caught up in this internet b.s. you may be right has far as summers being soft " but wasn't your truck soft" to start with ??? and than data started to come in and hp was change on runs and data ???right !! #3 mr ness ;yes gary run under in stock trim at a national open so did not and still hasn't gone into any real data to make a change in the ahfs system .#4 mr capizzi; it was the nhra and pat c. who did the right thing after listening to FACTS that there was no data to justify hp on these combos problem so where over the years somebody gave all fords in that year range the same hp pulled out of the air with no data to justify change from factory hp #5 mr denbreeden; yesyour car could be a player with the changes and I sure other ford people out there would have thought of going racing and be coming reg. nhra customers but your right without the changes leave it home in the garage #6 mr.stock 726; as far as pat c. he did the right thing with the FACTS got he was given !!! #7 mr almack so what !! 1.999 under then wont the ahfs system go to work on tues ?? besides I don't think you or I are will trying for # 1 at indy . #8 mr wong ; 2.00 under in stock might be a little bit of a hill to climb with a ford but I would like to see you build a ss/s ford 2barrell combo in those year ranges got could 1 second under !!! . I think that covers everybody that had a comment on ford hp . after what happen here everbody should be up set overinternet cry babbies controlling nhra people and polices rather than real data from real race cars not following there own rules ie afhs system and if anybody out there has real data give it nhra but I don't anybody can find data to justify 210 hp in ss/s thanks bill dyer ss/n 85 mustang and yes I can run a second + under I am not bench racing here !!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what are these facts you speak of???

I would like to have my horsepower reduced to the OEM number based on the fact it's never hit a trigger and nhra high balled it at 195...pre 2005
Every adjustment since then has been a reduction...