Just What We Need! - Page 7

Snowball Racing · 06-03-2014, 02:38 PM

Jim, thanks for your opinion of Jrs.!

You know what they say about opinions.

Had respect for ya, not so much anymore. Remember, you race with some of these "parents". Some things left better unsaid.

PS both my kids have run Jrs, and I wouldn't trade 1 dollar of what I spent, and what I and many other Jr. parents have taught my kids about racing, and more importantly, life.

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troublemaker427 · 06-03-2014, 02:52 PM

[QUOTE=We could learn from the years of successful Go-Kart programs.... AND... I've yet to see a Kart Race run in conjunction with a Nationwide or Sprint Cup Race. There's a time and place for everything. And Jrs. need there own venue, and it's not at races with full size cars.[/QUOTE]

Best quote in this entire thread in my opinion....

Jim Wahl · 06-03-2014, 03:48 PM

Mr. Anderson & Mr. Snowball, if you chose not to run the SSSSA Races because I voice the questionable decision to let five year olds race, then so be it. That's some pretty silly reasoning if you ask me. You really aren't hurting anyone but yourselves.

My whole point for starting this thread was to make it known about NHRA's decision to allow five year olds to race in Jr. Dragster and to voice my opinion (yes I am allowed to have one as are you) in regard to said decision. Both of you being veterans of the Jr. Dragster program are aware of the many problems associated with the decision making capabilities of drivers of the younger groups in the program. I have see three Jr. Dragster accidents and almost been involved in one on the return road. Not every kid is a rocket scientist or a John Force at age five no matter what you think. All it will take is for ONE kid to make the wrong decision one time and they could be killed or badly hurt. And that is my point. Five years old is TOO young to give a kid an 60 or 80 mph rocket and allow them to drive or tow through the pits with no adult supervision. We all know they do both so don't say they don't. Our sport is dangerous enough with some of the idiot adults we race with. Why compound it and risk our babies to a situation that could risk their life?

I'm glad to say I met Dan Young and his family and he has done very well racing with the SSSSA and I think he is a talented driver. He will do well as an adult racer. My prediction is you will hear more about him in the future.

This thread has nothing to do with the SSSSA. To infer that it does, as I stated before, is just silly. If either of you would like to discuss this with me in person, please feel free to. You both know how to get ahold of me. Jim

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203w Kip Rhoton · 06-03-2014, 04:14 PM

How many non junior accidents have you witnessed Jim ?Unreal post ! And can someone explain the definition of real race car.

Jim Bailey · 06-03-2014, 04:31 PM

I'm gonna review my post, and clarify it, just encase there's any stupid racers out there that wish to put their own negative opinions, or words in my mouth.... #1... I like the Jr. Dragster Program, I think it's great, and in a different time, I woulda been involved with my son.. #2 ... I never called any racer(s) or parent(s) stupid. What I have personally, witnessed, are several situations ( with Jrs. ) that were pure stupidity, and could have, or will result in injury. I love kids, especially ones that are interested in racing! I don't want to see any of them injured. #3. ... recently, we've seen the result of pit accidents between full size racecars. ie: Indy/Montegomery. Can you imagine the result between a Jr. Dragster and a Stocker, or worse yet a child in the Jr. being run over by a full size racecar ( keep in mind parents, you signed the release). The rule books are written in blood! It is my PERSONAL opinion that the sanctioning bodies have not been proactive enough with regulating the Jr. Dragsters, namely, making it a safer environment for them to compete. Just imagine a kid getting killed in the pits by a full size car! Do you have any idea what the todays media would do with that!? The insurance companys!? -OMG- It's the last thing Drag Racing needs right now. Unfortunately, not until someone gets hurt will anything be done. Until then we all must be cautious - including the Jrs. - to minimize the danger. As far as stupid racers go, anyone that knows me personally, will tell you, I have no problem calling you stupid to you face, if it's deserved.

Jim Wahl · 06-03-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

I'm gonna review my post, and clarify it, just encase there's any stupid racers out there that wish to put their own negative opinions, or words in my mouth.... #1... I like the Jr. Dragster Program, I think it's great, and in a different time, I woulda been involved with my son.. #2 ... I never called any racer(s) or parent(s) stupid. What I have personally, witnessed, are several situations ( with Jrs. ) that were pure stupidity, and could have, or will result in injury. I love kids, especially ones that are interested in racing! I don't want to see any of them injured. #3. ... recently, we've seen the result of pit accidents between full size racecars. ie: Indy/Montegomery. Can you imagine the result between a Jr. Dragster and a Stocker, or worse yet a child in the Jr. being run over by a full size racecar ( keep in mind parents, you signed the release). The rule books are written in blood! It is my PERSONAL opinion that the sanctioning bodies have not been proactive enough with regulating the Jr. Dragsters, namely, making it a safer environment for them to compete. Just imagine a kid getting killed in the pits by a full size car! Do you have any idea what the todays media would do with that!? The insurance companys!? -OMG- It's the last thing Drag Racing needs right now. Unfortunately, not until someone gets hurt will anything be done. Until then we all must be cautious - including the Jrs. - to minimize the danger. As far as stupid racers go, anyone that knows me personally, will tell you, I have no problem calling you stupid to you face, if it's deserved.

Thanks Jim. Pretty much what I have been trying to say with little success apparently. There will be those people out there who just don't get it or just want to be confrontational. Jim

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dartman · 06-03-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Mr. Anderson & Mr. Snowball, if you chose not to run the SSSSA Races because I voice the questionable decision to let five year olds race, then so be it. That's some pretty silly reasoning if you ask me. You really aren't hurting anyone but yourselves.

My whole point for starting this thread was to make it known about NHRA's decision to allow five year old kids to race in Jr. Dragster and to voice my opinion (yes I am allowed to have one as are you) in regard to said decision. Both of you being veterans of the Jr. Dragster program are aware of the many problems associated with the decision making capabilities of drivers of the younger groups in the program. I have see three Jr. Dragster accidents and almost been involved in one on the return road. Not every kid is a rocket scientist or a John Force at age five no matter what you think. All it will take is for ONE kid to make the wrong decision one time and they could be killed or badly hurt. And that is my point. Five years old is TOO young to give a kid an 60 or 80 mph rocket and allow them to drive or tow through the pits with no adult supervision. We all know they do both so don't say they don't. Our sport is dangerous enough with some of the idiot adults we race with. Why compound it and risk our babies to a situation that could risk their life?

I'm glad to say I met Dan Young and his family and he has done very well racing with the SSSSA and I think he is a talented driver. He will do well as an adult racer. My prediction is you will hear more about him in the future.

This thread has nothing to do with the SSSSA. To infer that it does, as I stated before, is just silly. If either of you would like to discuss this with me in person, please feel free to. You both know how to get a hold of me. Jim

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read the rules on this and you wont look like a fool

In the 5-year-old classification, the Trainee category, participants can begin running a Jr. Dragster with a crate engine from Briggs & Stratton with a slide valve limiting the power output of the engine. Trainee participants will make single passes down the dragstrip to get familiar with the car and track surroundings in a non-pressure environment.

Another separate classification for 6-and-7-year-olds also has been created, the Youth category, which will allow participants to begin competing head to head on the track at the 13.90-second index with a crate engine and slightly increased power output from the Trainee category engine.

The NHRA Summit Racing Jr. Drag Racing League also offers different categories for age groups up to 17 with speed and elapsed time restrictions for participants based on age and experience. Those categories are novice (8-9)12.90, intermediate (10-12)8.90, and advanced (13-17)7.90.

so 7.90 car goes around 84 to 90 mph,well a 5 year old can't go 7.90
let go with a 12.90 car that goes around 40 mph, wait still can't
so let's go with a car that goes 14.90 @ 25 mph with more safety gear then I have to wear in my stocker that goes 10.90.

we are not giving a 5 year old a car that goes 80 mph to race
we are giving them 25 mph car on single pass to learn how to drive it

SSGT Mustang · 06-03-2014, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

There will be those people out there who just don't get it or just want to be confrontational. Jim

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Kind of like this????

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

NHRA lowers the Jr. Dragster drivers age to 5 years old! Yup, FIVE years old! This is just what we need, a bunch of five year olds clogging up the pits and running into each other and other REAL race cars. The Divisional races already look like a nursery school just let out with the Jr. dragster crap spread all over the pits and blocking the return road. Ever notice how they leave the starters for those obnoxious Briggs and Stratton's all over the staging lanes after they run. The pits are dangerous enough without Five year olds thinking they are the next John Force running around without parental supervision. Mark my words guys, somebody is gunna get hurt or killed because of this! Compton must really be hurtin' for beer money! Jim

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Jim Wahl · 06-03-2014, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SSGT Mustang

Kind of like this????

Nope.... kinda like you! Jim

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goinbroke2 · 06-03-2014, 07:09 PM

Wow, way too much "painting all with a brush" here. "All" juniour do this or that, "All" parents do this or that. Really guys? What is this a democrat convention? LOL!

I took my kid behind a local grocery store at 6am on a Sunday morning to let him pull ahead a bit, then step on it and then finally hold it wide open for 30-50ft. Each time I went over and over what to do in case of...

Now, I could take my 10 (or 5 yo) to a track with safety personnel, do the same thing, by himself until he's confortable. That's all it is, the reg's for the age of competition have not lowered, just the age they can sit in the car and actually control it themselves.

I hate motorcycles and sleds, but they have as much right as anybody else to race. Sport compacts run, street run, S/SS run, pro, super pro, bike/sled and then juniors. Then it starts over and everyone has time to cool down between rounds.

Me thinks there's WAY to much over reacting and then piling on by those who hate them that there is actual "evidence" or "proof" of anything.

I think it's called "knee-jerk"

06-03-2014, 02:38 PM	#61
Snowball Racing Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 23 Likes: 2 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Just What We Need! Jim, thanks for your opinion of Jrs.! You know what they say about opinions. Had respect for ya, not so much anymore. Remember, you race with some of these "parents". Some things left better unsaid. PS both my kids have run Jrs, and I wouldn't trade 1 dollar of what I spent, and what I and many other Jr. parents have taught my kids about racing, and more importantly, life. .

06-03-2014, 02:52 PM	#62
troublemaker427 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hampstead, MD. Posts: 422 Likes: 282 Liked 64 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Just What We Need! [QUOTE=We could learn from the years of successful Go-Kart programs.... AND... I've yet to see a Kart Race run in conjunction with a Nationwide or Sprint Cup Race. There's a time and place for everything. And Jrs. need there own venue, and it's not at races with full size cars.[/QUOTE] Best quote in this entire thread in my opinion.... __________________ Jody Aberts Troublemaker2 1966 Fairlane 427

06-03-2014, 03:48 PM	#63
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Just What We Need! Mr. Anderson & Mr. Snowball, if you chose not to run the SSSSA Races because I voice the questionable decision to let five year olds race, then so be it. That's some pretty silly reasoning if you ask me. You really aren't hurting anyone but yourselves. My whole point for starting this thread was to make it known about NHRA's decision to allow five year olds to race in Jr. Dragster and to voice my opinion (yes I am allowed to have one as are you) in regard to said decision. Both of you being veterans of the Jr. Dragster program are aware of the many problems associated with the decision making capabilities of drivers of the younger groups in the program. I have see three Jr. Dragster accidents and almost been involved in one on the return road. Not every kid is a rocket scientist or a John Force at age five no matter what you think. All it will take is for ONE kid to make the wrong decision one time and they could be killed or badly hurt. And that is my point. Five years old is TOO young to give a kid an 60 or 80 mph rocket and allow them to drive or tow through the pits with no adult supervision. We all know they do both so don't say they don't. Our sport is dangerous enough with some of the idiot adults we race with. Why compound it and risk our babies to a situation that could risk their life? I'm glad to say I met Dan Young and his family and he has done very well racing with the SSSSA and I think he is a talented driver. He will do well as an adult racer. My prediction is you will hear more about him in the future. This thread has nothing to do with the SSSSA. To infer that it does, as I stated before, is just silly. If either of you would like to discuss this with me in person, please feel free to. You both know how to get ahold of me. Jim . __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

06-03-2014, 04:14 PM	#64
203w Kip Rhoton Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 19 Likes: 6 Liked 28 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Just What We Need! How many non junior accidents have you witnessed Jim ?Unreal post ! And can someone explain the definition of real race car.

06-03-2014, 04:31 PM	#65
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Just What We Need! I'm gonna review my post, and clarify it, just encase there's any stupid racers out there that wish to put their own negative opinions, or words in my mouth.... #1... I like the Jr. Dragster Program, I think it's great, and in a different time, I woulda been involved with my son.. #2 ... I never called any racer(s) or parent(s) stupid. What I have personally, witnessed, are several situations ( with Jrs. ) that were pure stupidity, and could have, or will result in injury. I love kids, especially ones that are interested in racing! I don't want to see any of them injured. #3. ... recently, we've seen the result of pit accidents between full size racecars. ie: Indy/Montegomery. Can you imagine the result between a Jr. Dragster and a Stocker, or worse yet a child in the Jr. being run over by a full size racecar ( keep in mind parents, you signed the release). The rule books are written in blood! It is my PERSONAL opinion that the sanctioning bodies have not been proactive enough with regulating the Jr. Dragsters, namely, making it a safer environment for them to compete. Just imagine a kid getting killed in the pits by a full size car! Do you have any idea what the todays media would do with that!? The insurance companys!? -OMG- It's the last thing Drag Racing needs right now. Unfortunately, not until someone gets hurt will anything be done. Until then we all must be cautious - including the Jrs. - to minimize the danger. As far as stupid racers go, anyone that knows me personally, will tell you, I have no problem calling you stupid to you face, if it's deserved.

06-03-2014, 07:09 PM	#70
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 892 Likes: 1,631 Liked 393 Times in 153 Posts	Re: Just What We Need! Wow, way too much "painting all with a brush" here. "All" juniour do this or that, "All" parents do this or that. Really guys? What is this a democrat convention? LOL! I took my kid behind a local grocery store at 6am on a Sunday morning to let him pull ahead a bit, then step on it and then finally hold it wide open for 30-50ft. Each time I went over and over what to do in case of... Now, I could take my 10 (or 5 yo) to a track with safety personnel, do the same thing, by himself until he's confortable. That's all it is, the reg's for the age of competition have not lowered, just the age they can sit in the car and actually control it themselves. I hate motorcycles and sleds, but they have as much right as anybody else to race. Sport compacts run, street run, S/SS run, pro, super pro, bike/sled and then juniors. Then it starts over and everyone has time to cool down between rounds. Me thinks there's WAY to much over reacting and then piling on by those who hate them that there is actual "evidence" or "proof" of anything. I think it's called "knee-jerk"