SS Modified

[Mike Mans]

Overall, I understand your thoughts and directions - and I don't disagree that there could be a class/category like this somewhere. Do I think it's a realistic idea for current day NHRA Super Stock? Not likely. But I think it is really a neat idea for a smaller local Super Stock organization to put on a class like this in a regional area. Personally - I really enjoy heads up racing and would love to participate in more of it. The spec head deal would be neat, but if there were ever large payout opportunities - that's when people are absolutely going to push the limits and invest large amounts to make more power and then cover it back up. AKA: Stock Eliminator, unfortunately. At the root of Stock, they are all "Spec motors." I bet a "stock" 1969 Camaro never went 9.90's We're all innovators and always looking for the next loop-hole to gain an advantage - that's why we run Stock and Super Stock instead of S/Street/Gas/Comp.

I never meant to offend anyone or get this thread off-topic, of course. The original starter was asking the basic question of what makes a modified car. Hope I didn't derail the intent too far.

Mike

[Dick Butler]

Mike I agree I never meant to offend or capture topic. Just thoughts....
Dick

[randy wilson]

It takes a lot to offend me, and nothing anyone has posted has bothered me In the slightest. Everyone has a right to their opinion, and I admire what the Manns have accomplished, and others in all the different classes. I just think with 110 classes, there is probably twice that many head combos, and Houdini couldn't catch all the stuff that many guys have dreamed up. That being said, I think 3 sets of heads designed by one company would be easier to police then all those other combos. Especially when there services are available to the buyer, or sanctioning body. I know at Knoxville, Dave Rodder was there from Brodix for the Nationals, and one competitor he was checking out, he said, and I quote, "Ray Charles could see those heads are modified!" End quote. Factory support ain't a bad thing. Also, lots of areas in this class to cut cost in my theories, and easily policed, but that's for another day.

[71mavlouisville]

Mike, your post on this thread are the best I've read in a long time, love the Obama comment, LMAO, right on!

[randy wilson]

Also, a class that does not even exist, that effects no class that does exist, should bother absolutely no one. I know when they implemented Pro Mod, It effected me not at all, and I gave it zero thought other then I like it.

[blkjack]

Originally Posted by 71mavlouisville

Mike, your post on this thread are the best I've read in a long time, love the Obama comment, LMAO, right on!

x2

[Dick Butler]

"Everyone should be able to win at heads up racing regardless how much time and money they spend" Obama.
I think that's is how you stated it. Funny comment and but ...
You have missed the fact that in eliminator when you take out your shoe polish to put your dial in on the window you are getting your Obama handicap help.
You are no longer truly racing someone, you are playing the clock with shoe polish dial in as an equalizer. It was intended to allow various classes to compete together since the variations in cars and classes became massive by expansion of number of classes.
The other facts about winning class regardless how much you work or spend is incorrect because you imply a $10,000 car is proposed to run in a class with the guys who have invested $150,000 in a factory car.
No that wasn't intended in any of my posts. An economy class of cars to attract more new racers or as a place for everyone to race who honestly cannot invest $35,000 in a motor or high buck trans .
Also might reread the posts on Dime Rockets where guys brag about being #1 Qualifier with a ________( name the unfactored rule book oversight). Pick up, Turbo van, etc.
Lots of fun in this topic but hoping to keep the thoughts clearly separated for what was proposed versus how people interpret the ideas.

[Dick Butler]

Facts about savings for a class of Econo Mod with proposed rules.
(also fastest growing class in round track with these rules)
Spec unmod Al Brodix heads and cast manifold savings-----------$15,000

Clutch rule, no computer, no pan evac system savings-------------$7,000

Stock Diameter cam and lifter rule savings-------------------------------$1000

9" Deck block rule, No titanium drive line parts-savings -------------??????

The rules used can be re posted Stick car rules save $23-25,000.
Tech with scope in pan or heads.

Just wanted to add these amounts to suggest the value of changing one Mod class rule set or adding to save costs.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Facts about savings for a class of Econo Mod with proposed rules.
(also fastest growing class in round track with these rules)
Spec unmod Al Brodix heads and cast manifold savings-----------$15,000

Clutch rule, no computer, no pan evac system savings-------------$7,000

Stock Diameter cam and lifter rule savings-------------------------------$1000

9" Deck block rule, No titanium drive line parts-savings -------------??????

The rules used can be re posted Stick car rules save $23-25,000.
Tech with scope in pan or heads.

Just wanted to add these amounts to suggest the value of changing one Mod class rule set or adding to save costs.

So Dick, since you are limiting the class to a 9" deck, why not call it Chevy/GM Econo Mod class?
A Mopar small block has a 9.6" deck height and Ford has 3 deck heights: 8.2, 9.2 and 9.5.
By the way, Titanium is already prohibited in the Modified classes.
So, you have to pull the timing cover to check the cam diameter?

Like I someone said earlier, local tracks can run such type of class, at national event level, it will not happen. It would require a teardown at every event.

[randy wilson]

As far as I know, titanium lug nuts, yokes, and wheel studs are legal in modified. Correct me if I'm wrong. And the tear down is very simple in my opinion. Any 4150 carb. (No tear down) any stroke, (no tear down) cast intake with no external miss, (no tear down) any combustion chamber mod, (no tear down) angle mill all you want, (no tear down) intake and exhaust ports can't be altered,(no tear down, just a bore scope) if questionable, tear down. Min 10.5" clutch, no counter weights, one disc, no tear down.