Stockers....buttons.....check This Out

[tgriffith]

"""two steps belong on a country dance club floor
throttle stops belong on a u-haul truck
delay boxes belong on ... well... how about a dumpster

if we dont stop the button / blinder racing all cars will be A - G cars...no one builds anything else."""
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LOL!!!!! Ive been screaming this for the past 2 years and all I get is "your crying"-----2steps and buttons are taking the slower stockers out of competition,,,,or at least you must be a racing God just to compete


Stockracer....need to visit Div 9 in Ihra if you think those boys cant race,,,come this way and try it sometime

[LNorton]

Originally Posted by tgriffith

Stockracer....need to visit Div 9 in Ihra if you think those boys cant race,,,come this way and try it sometime

Thats right, come getcha some in D9!

[stockracer]

I'll have to giv d9 a try sometime. Can some one give me a logical explination about how buttons have taken slow cars out of competition? Most a-b-c cars are foot brake any way? If a button is quicker, put one in your slow car and bring it back to life! The whole point of this game is to win and do what it takes to get there...some guys choose one way some choose another...If you guys really believe that duck tape and a button will win you a national event...GO FOR IT! As far as that goes, use your sunvisor and close one eye, it works just as well! But it all boils down to SKILL, no matter the amount of money, electronics, or pretty paint you put in it!

[tgriffith]

the reason slow cars are at a real disadvantage is they arent quick enough to flash race on the bottom bulb,,,,I dont care who you are,,,no footbrake racer is as good as a racer CORRECTLY using an adjustable 2 step and adjustable button,,,look at your winners and you will see,,,,very rarely will a footbraker will any nationals anymore,,,,,let alone any slow cars,,,its rare compared to the results of 4 or 5 years ago,,,,,,,,,once rounds start coming closer togther,,then it evens out between footers and button racers but with extreme conditions of night and day,,,,behind top fuels,,,,and so on,,,,,the adjustable 2step and buttons are nearly unbeatable,,,,

I do alot of testing on cars,,,,making changes to see the effects of such things tire pressure,,,timing,,,and other stuff and in no way letting out pressure in rear tires even compares to adjusting a 2 step,,,,,there are other variables that you just cant count on in raising or lowering tire pressure on footbrake cars......

this is my biggest beef with the 2 steps and buttons,,,,,,I personally dont think anyone winning is cheating,,,,for me its not a cheating issue,,,,

[Eric Cabral]

Here's my two cents. Leave it the way it is!!!! I run a M/Stick mustang and feel I am just as competetive as a guy running a button. You STILL have to stage the car, see the TREE THE SAME and drive the finishline! I have not changed the rpm on my two step since I built the car. I adjust tire press & the amount of travel in my pedal to hit the tree. Nothng beats seat time! If you want to race with the guys who win all the time hit your practice tree and go to a local bracket race and learn how to be consistent.
A button or two step is NOT the problem in stock. Friends of mine that bracket race don't want to bother with stock because of all the politics and whining that goes on. Less kids are moving into drag racing in general let alone stock!!! That to me is more of a concern.


[ps] Even if they do away with two steps i'll still be coming out on the high chip! I launch higher than I shift and go through the traps at!!! Does that mean next we won't be able to run msd boxes because a stick guy can use his high chip built into the box!!!!!
Leave it alone and race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eric Cabral 1546 M/S

[tgriffith]

Eric,,,my opinion is only with the autos,,,,I could only imagine the skill it takes to run a stick car,,,Stick cars rule!!

[LouisJeffery]

Originally Posted by stockracer

Thanks Todd...Nice post! But now your pickin on them I-side guys...They dont take to kindly to that! Look out for Beard and Piatek now! Theyre fixin to tell you how hard I-side racing is, and if you think you can win come on over and try! Problem is trying to find them hole-in-tha-wall tracks, most are only 1/8 mile races anyway! haaahaaaha!

Oh...LouisJeffery...Im happy to see that they let you run your pro/et maverick in stock...Thats nice of them! Your worried about 2-steps when your driving a car that never existed! Makes sense in a screwed up IHRA way of looking at it!

Stockracer, Thanks for checking me out thats why I gave you and everyone else my name,car# and IHRA affiliation. My pro/et Maverick that never existed is pretty cool isn't. We built the car as a NHRA stocker with a 302 2V P/SA ran under index and had fun. We live in Michigan which is MUCH more IHRA friendly and convienient. We opted for CRATE MOTOR STOCK because it offers lots of options over the 2V ( and Carroll Shelby wouldn't write us a letter for a Maverick?) Why not give us your name, car# and apparantly NHRA affiliation so we can check you out and be friends. Peace, LouisJeffery

[Jeff Lee]

Back when I was 18-20 years old (that would be the late 1970's) I had a street / strip Dodge Challenger. It had a 340 with a stock converter and 4.10 gears with street tires. Ran 14.00's @ 102.5 MPH. Deadly consistant. No two step, no line-lock. Probably on the track 40 weeks out of the year. Can anybody explain to me how I was able to cut 5 teen lights pretty consistantly? Doesn't seem possible without the use of buttons and two steps. I know I was a lot younger so I'm using that excuse as to why I can't cut a consistant light anymore!

[Bernie Cunningham]

Originally Posted by tgriffith

the reason slow cars are at a real disadvantage is they arent quick enough to flash race on the bottom bulb,,,,I dont care who you are,,,no footbrake racer is as good as a racer CORRECTLY using an adjustable 2 step and adjustable button,,,look at your winners and you will see,,,,very rarely will a footbraker will any nationals anymore,,,,,let alone any slow cars,,,its rare compared to the results of 4 or 5 years ago,,,,,,,,,once rounds start coming closer togther,,then it evens out between footers and button racers but with extreme conditions of night and day,,,,behind top fuels,,,,and so on,,,,,the adjustable 2step and buttons are nearly unbeatable,,,,

I do alot of testing on cars,,,,making changes to see the effects of such things tire pressure,,,timing,,,and other stuff and in no way letting out pressure in rear tires even compares to adjusting a 2 step,,,,,there are other variables that you just cant count on in raising or lowering tire pressure on footbrake cars......

this is my biggest beef with the 2 steps and buttons,,,,,,I personally dont think anyone winning is cheating,,,,for me its not a cheating issue,,,,

tgriffith, a regular poster on this site, I have now idea how you've come up with that much 'bunk' in one post !!!!!

It doesn't matter whether your footbraking or using a button in a slower car, the bottom yellow is the GO, unless you need to anticipate it with a slower car, it makes no difference!

I believe you are wrong about slow cars that can't win, check out the foot braking Langs for instance! They, and a bunch more racers got screwed a fews years back when all of the whiny boys got deep staging eliminated. Sounds like the same 'cry for help' with this subject !!!!!

Are you implying that Top Fuel has an outcome in a Stk/SS race that's deep into eliminations? Good God man.

If you don't have your car set for react by the time eliminations come around, I'm sorry, your not paying enough attention to detail, 'quityasnivlin'

Haven't you figured it out, after all these years of racing, just what nightime will do to your reaction yet ??? We now have LED's that changed all of those problems, unless ya still got one in your head.

Do you really think that a button is being adjusted all the time? Most button racers never adjust it, the same one stay's in the car from race to race. The biggest change made on a daily basis is starting line RPM, nothing more and nothing less. I reckon your dumb-founded here but I will agree that the Five O button is BS (include the obvious cheater button, the AX.) Your also polluting the argument with racers that blind the tree, a whole nother subject.

I would love to see your testing results, just how scientific are they, are you a robot that can duplicate a react and tell yourself the truth as to what you just did with weather and track changes etc.????

Thank you for agreeing on the 'no cheaters' part. That's a moot point.

I think you validated the use of two steps in your last sentence, if you cant't keep the starting line RPM's consistent and the rest of the variables, how the hell are ya gonna get any better at what you do and know what is making a difference??

We race because it's a CONTEST, repeat a CONTEST, we try to be the best ya can be, whether your setting records or trying to win the race, if you don't understand the big picture you'll never get it. Winners in the ND talk about it all the time !!

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TWO STEPS AND BUTTONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Whoa ! that's enough of that ! B

[Chip THELEGEND Johnson]

Jeff,
When did Reaction Timers come out. I remember going to the IHRA winternationals in 1981. The first time anyone here had seen them??????????????
Chip