Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products - Page 7

Rob Wright · 06-26-2018, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim D'Amore

Cubic inches is torque, cylinder heads is top end hp.

Torque is your ET, top end HP is your MPH.
Along with 100,000.00 dollar transmissions

So if torque is ET those 5.0's must make a lot of it, considering how much quicker most of them are in 60' and 330' compared to the others.

I have a spreadsheet that is jammed with incremental times from a couple of races with all competitors "good" runs.....if I remember to do it I will post a pic of it when I get home tonight.

FED 387 · 06-26-2018, 06:00 PM

I think what he is trying to say is that the initial purchase price of a Liberty 5 speed with shifter is about $9200 PLUS all of the extra gear sets required to convert 1st-2nd-3rd-4th gear combinations for racing at Denver or at sea level plus all of the many small parts you also will need to service the transmission such as main shafts/shifter forks/sliders/whatever etc. ---SO the Total package is probably about $75,000-$100,000--- that does not include an extra transmission or 2 or 3 with a shifter --need another shifter without buying a transmission they run about $1100 each no extra parts included here either ---FED 387

Randall Klein · 06-26-2018, 06:44 PM

I must be missing something, getting from $9200 to 75-100K is quite a leap
Why not buy 7-8 extra trans & ratios complete, you get a lot of spare parts it seems, but what do I know, just a lowly SS racer

FED 387 · 06-26-2018, 07:20 PM

Because they change ratios every run to optimize their performance ---lot of it depends where in the run they feel an improvement needs to be made--- they tweak these things to gain thousandths if not hundredths of a second--- makes a big difference between qualifying 1st or 12th - or for that fact even being in the show-- they probably have 10-15 ratios for each gear that they might use depending on what track there are racing at ---altitude(Denver) they might be down 300 horsepower so they put the biggest 1st gear in there they can get away with --sea level they put a different ratio in because the engine is making gobs of horsepower and they don't need that steep of a 1st gear

Tom Dolan · 06-26-2018, 07:25 PM

Can some one explain to me what this thread is about. Who the heck is this guy mike. I thought the cobra jet stuff was run by a guy named wolfe or kershaw. I remember the program started back in 2008. After a few years there were cobra jets everywhere. Now it looks like the copo's are everywhere. What the hell happened to the ford support? Were is the 2017 or 2018 cobra jet. I remember years back you could walk the pits and see cobra jet banners in every ford pit. I was in Charlotte this year and did not see one ford cobra jet banner. It looks like there were about 4 cobra jets racing the showdown. I would think with all the cobra jets that were made you would have seen more. Why can't they use the 5.4 with a 4.0 blower, didn't ford make them for a few years. Man this is crazy, lost of good cars and they can't race them.

Where have all the cobra jets gone ?

Mike Jones · 06-26-2018, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Klein

I must be missing something, getting from $9200 to 75-100K is quite a leap
Why not buy 7-8 extra trans & ratios complete, you get a lot of spare parts it seems, but what do I know, just a lowly SS racer

Randall,
If you buy 9, the tenth one is free.
Mike A114

JHeath · 06-26-2018, 07:57 PM

Nobody in Factory Stock Showdown uses a Liberty.

rawhide · 06-26-2018, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Dolan

Can some one explain to me what this thread is about. Who the heck is this guy mike. I thought the cobra jet stuff was run by a guy named wolfe or kershaw. I remember the program started back in 2008. After a few years there were cobra jets everywhere. Now it looks like the copo's are everywhere. What the hell happened to the ford support? Were is the 2017 or 2018 cobra jet. I remember years back you could walk the pits and see cobra jet banners in every ford pit. I was in Charlotte this year and did not see one ford cobra jet banner. It looks like there were about 4 cobra jets racing the showdown. I would think with all the cobra jets that were made you would have seen more. Why can't they use the 5.4 with a 4.0 blower, didn't ford make them for a few years. Man this is crazy, lost of good cars and they can't race them.

Where have all the cobra jets gone ?

Brian Wolfe was promoted out of Ford Racing at the end of 2009. Jesse Kershaw was the drag racing manager but left last year I believe. Mike had been the circle track manager but left Ford and then came back to be drag racing manager when Jesse left. I would have found someone who races a Ford myself to manage drag racing. I wish that Jesse would return but there are probably politics that I do not know about that might prevent that.

Roland

Tom P · 06-26-2018, 10:55 PM

Ceramic bearings?

I've met Mike and Jesse. I think Jesse did a good job. Sorry to see him go.

lstanford · 06-27-2018, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUMP

Except the 2018 combination is 5.2....

Yes, same as the Shelby. 5.0 with an overbore.

06-26-2018, 06:00 PM	#62
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,422 Likes: 532 Liked 333 Times in 180 Posts	Re: Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products I think what he is trying to say is that the initial purchase price of a Liberty 5 speed with shifter is about $9200 PLUS all of the extra gear sets required to convert 1st-2nd-3rd-4th gear combinations for racing at Denver or at sea level plus all of the many small parts you also will need to service the transmission such as main shafts/shifter forks/sliders/whatever etc. ---SO the Total package is probably about $75,000-$100,000--- that does not include an extra transmission or 2 or 3 with a shifter --need another shifter without buying a transmission they run about $1100 each no extra parts included here either ---FED 387

06-26-2018, 06:44 PM	#63
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products I must be missing something, getting from $9200 to 75-100K is quite a leap Why not buy 7-8 extra trans & ratios complete, you get a lot of spare parts it seems, but what do I know, just a lowly SS racer

06-26-2018, 07:20 PM	#64
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,422 Likes: 532 Liked 333 Times in 180 Posts	Re: Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products Because they change ratios every run to optimize their performance ---lot of it depends where in the run they feel an improvement needs to be made--- they tweak these things to gain thousandths if not hundredths of a second--- makes a big difference between qualifying 1st or 12th - or for that fact even being in the show-- they probably have 10-15 ratios for each gear that they might use depending on what track there are racing at ---altitude(Denver) they might be down 300 horsepower so they put the biggest 1st gear in there they can get away with --sea level they put a different ratio in because the engine is making gobs of horsepower and they don't need that steep of a 1st gear

06-26-2018, 07:25 PM	#65
Tom Dolan Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products Can some one explain to me what this thread is about. Who the heck is this guy mike. I thought the cobra jet stuff was run by a guy named wolfe or kershaw. I remember the program started back in 2008. After a few years there were cobra jets everywhere. Now it looks like the copo's are everywhere. What the hell happened to the ford support? Were is the 2017 or 2018 cobra jet. I remember years back you could walk the pits and see cobra jet banners in every ford pit. I was in Charlotte this year and did not see one ford cobra jet banner. It looks like there were about 4 cobra jets racing the showdown. I would think with all the cobra jets that were made you would have seen more. Why can't they use the 5.4 with a 4.0 blower, didn't ford make them for a few years. Man this is crazy, lost of good cars and they can't race them. Where have all the cobra jets gone ?

06-26-2018, 07:57 PM	#67
JHeath Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 786 Likes: 2,876 Liked 370 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products Nobody in Factory Stock Showdown uses a Liberty. __________________ Jerry Heath I/S '93 Cobra FS/J 2010 Mustang "Ebay CJ"

06-26-2018, 10:55 PM	#69
Tom P Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 707 Likes: 30 Liked 239 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products Ceramic bearings? I've met Mike and Jesse. I think Jesse did a good job. Sorry to see him go.