Automatic Horsepower Factoring System

[STK 1045]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Forgive me for being an outsider making a comment about Stock and the AHFS and what some guys say. It is hard to read some of this stuff and not want to make a comment. It is always pointed out that Stock should be a performance based category and is not bracket racing. Well I have to point out to you that many races are being won by notoriuosly good bracket racers. All over the country winners are often previously known for their bracket racing wins. And it kind of strikes me that no matter what plan or program NHRA devises to try and "equalize" the various combinations......somebody is not happy and starts to point out why it doesn't work, won't work, isn't fair and so on. In the old days.....and I was there and raced under those conditions......YOU RACED OFF YOUR NATIONAL RECORDS...No indexes....sandbag if you want but handicaps were set by your records. I also recall that during some periods if you exceeded your record in a final round, you tore down and if your were good,,,, you got the win and the record as well. You want your integrity back......go back to the old rules and trash the AHFS.........Stop bitching and do some real racing.....I'd rather watch Pinks than modern day Stock the way it's being run with all the sandbagging, whinning and complaining. I raced Stock a very limited number of years with various cars in different eras. I quit after my last short stint and some of you would slam me as an outsider. That's ok....I'm just giving you my point of view as one who has raced it and many other categories as well. Devise a set of rules that let the fast cars win but enforce the rules and put some real racing back into your category. Show off your performance and be willing to tear it down to get the money and hardware. That would make Stock eliminator a hell of a lot better and definately seperate yourselves from us "lowly" bracket and super class racers! Flame on....

Amen, Brother.

[Byron Worner]

How about lowering the indexes by 2 tenths, making the review trigger 1 second under and a automatic review at 1.15 under. An automatic review would have factors such as atmospheric condition of the run before the horsepower increase is levied.

[Dave Ribeiro]

Byron,

I agree 100%, where do we vote.......It is simple and can be effective..........Dave,

[thomas sheehan]

Byron

What you are asking for is ALMOST what we have now.
"Lower indexes by .2"..... and "review at -1.00"
They now review at -1.15 (with two hits now)... you're proposal is the same as reviewing at -1.20 (now).
How does this help?

Tom

[vic guilmino]

the only way you are going to get the super fast cars is to
start looking and comparing 1/8 mile times to the guys who
are running flat out.
Take the 2 tenths off of the index and anyone running 1 sec.
under the index gets hit. Even if it's only one run.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

Lynn, feel free to quote me at any time, however, don't leave out "the rest of the story".

You feel that superceeded parts or freebies are unfair unless given to all. I agree with you 100%!

This is why I asked you the question and not assume you took that position. Your posts have always been pretty informative and right on. However, I still dont get the meaning of your post. The written word sometimes takes more explanation. Sometimes we try to be brief and to the point, but the true points get misconstrued by the reader. Please explain that post further.

I am very proud of combos that have all OEM parts running 7-9 uinder without 70HP off their combos. Those are the true heros of SS and S. Even some of those HPs are bogus due to the Big 3 changing to SAE chassis dyno rating system to post 1972 engines.

[Byron Worner]

It is similar but I think it will diminish some sandbagging. The trigger would still be 2 runs. The big thing is bringing down the "automatic review" by .05. I don't think it is the cure but a step in the right direction.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by vic guilmino

the only way you are going to get the super fast cars is to
start looking and comparing 1/8 mile times to the guys who
are running flat out.
Take the 2 tenths off of the index and anyone running 1 sec.
under the index gets hit. Even if it's only one run.

We cant keep hitting combos all the time...we need a bigger window!! some times it would be better adjusting some combo's the other way instead of hitting the rest!!

[laura Parker]

What do you do when we get conditions like we had at Atco -500ft. Then you get a heads up run and you go 140 under. I could have driven my pick up there and run a second under with it. Barry

[RPinoski1]

Originally Posted by bsa633

We cant keep hitting combos all the time...we need a bigger window!! some times it would be better adjusting some combo's the other way instead of hitting the rest!!

Maybe the above statement is the answer....If a car is that much faster than the others in the class, and proven to be totally legal...why should it be given HP? Only given HP if it is factored bogus...

The AHFS in reverse would work better, or something like that...then the sand bagging would be eliminated......