Drive By Wire

Larry Hill · 11-20-2010, 01:25 PM

Drive by wire is a safety issue, remember Toyota, and it is way to easy to cheat. Run tracing is easy. Traction controle you bet. Foot against the floor and only 60% throttle for first 1.296 seconds. Almost forgot where do I hook up the return spring, so I dont go flying of the end of the track at wide open throttle.

NHRA change the rule : No Drive By Wire.

Billy Nees · 11-20-2010, 02:31 PM

I'm glad that you brought this up! Didn't the Rule Book address this issue at one point in time? Something along the line of there having to be a positive conection between the gas pedal and the throttle body or carb? I seem to remember it back when throttlestops were first turning up because of some real hokey stuff being tried.

Billy Nees · 11-20-2010, 02:35 PM

Gotta love the NHRA! Larry, 2009 Rule Book page 253, 1:12 Throttle. Would YOU please read it and tell me what you think? I'm reading that the CJs ain't legal!

Chad Rhodes · 11-20-2010, 02:40 PM

neither is a C5 or C6 vette, or a new caddy. NHRA would have to approve alternate throttle bodies, as to the best of my knowledge no one makes a kit to retrofit a fly by wire tb to a cable operated

BobUnkefer · 11-20-2010, 03:37 PM

Didn't Matusek have an issue with their Mustang when they WANTED to & DID convert their setup to a throttle cable instead of a wire and tech bounced them because it wasn't a factory set up? They did it for the safety of the setup if I remember correctly.

Unk

keith ohanesian · 11-20-2010, 04:04 PM

UMM leaving off the top.. Can when say timers???

magnumv8 · 11-21-2010, 10:55 PM

let's face it.....distance "counters" have been OEM for over 20 years and if people think that they haven't been used for racing purposes (this is the point where I throw my head back and laugh) they are just kidding themselves.....the VSS reads "CPM" counts per mile and some increments are so small that they are more accurate than anything GPS could ever think about doing.....

There should be a rule that ALL cars in stock, computer controlled or not, have no sensors or electrical connections after the engine block, this would give tech a lot fewer headaches when looking a car over....the sticking point now becomes the computer controlled valve body....I just don't think they should be in a class car.....

D L Rambo.....

Pat Cook · 11-21-2010, 11:37 PM

Within 5 minutes of searching the internet, found a real time speed sensor

http://www.gmheng.com/speed_sensor.htm

Ed Wright · 11-22-2010, 10:25 AM

Dealership techs can only refash the vehicle computers with factory calibrations. They have no "backdoor" into the software. I do custom calibrations for new car dealerships all the time, because they can't do it. This is how I have made my living for the last 15 years.

Requiring cable throttles would stop a lot of this silliness. Throttle control is not the only way to slow one down.

dragracer9911 · 11-22-2010, 10:53 AM

Hey Travis, does that mean the NHRA is not sending out 2011 Rules Books with the National Drgagster again this year with our membership?

11-20-2010, 01:25 PM	#1
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,587 Likes: 1,872 Liked 10,591 Times in 2,190 Posts	Drive By Wire Drive by wire is a safety issue, remember Toyota, and it is way to easy to cheat. Run tracing is easy. Traction controle you bet. Foot against the floor and only 60% throttle for first 1.296 seconds. Almost forgot where do I hook up the return spring, so I dont go flying of the end of the track at wide open throttle. NHRA change the rule : No Drive By Wire. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

11-20-2010, 02:31 PM	#2
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,473 Likes: 3,564 Liked 7,596 Times in 1,718 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire I'm glad that you brought this up! Didn't the Rule Book address this issue at one point in time? Something along the line of there having to be a positive conection between the gas pedal and the throttle body or carb? I seem to remember it back when throttlestops were first turning up because of some real hokey stuff being tried. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm OK..........it's everybody else.

11-20-2010, 02:35 PM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,473 Likes: 3,564 Liked 7,596 Times in 1,718 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire Gotta love the NHRA! Larry, 2009 Rule Book page 253, 1:12 Throttle. Would YOU please read it and tell me what you think? I'm reading that the CJs ain't legal! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm OK..........it's everybody else.

11-20-2010, 02:40 PM	#4
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire neither is a C5 or C6 vette, or a new caddy. NHRA would have to approve alternate throttle bodies, as to the best of my knowledge no one makes a kit to retrofit a fly by wire tb to a cable operated __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

11-20-2010, 03:37 PM	#5
BobUnkefer Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 465 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire Didn't Matusek have an issue with their Mustang when they WANTED to & DID convert their setup to a throttle cable instead of a wire and tech bounced them because it wasn't a factory set up? They did it for the safety of the setup if I remember correctly. Unk __________________ Bob Unkefer 4409 STK

11-20-2010, 04:04 PM	#6
keith ohanesian Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 392 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Drive By Wire UMM leaving off the top.. Can when say timers??? __________________ No prep is king

11-21-2010, 10:55 PM	#7
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire let's face it.....distance "counters" have been OEM for over 20 years and if people think that they haven't been used for racing purposes (this is the point where I throw my head back and laugh) they are just kidding themselves.....the VSS reads "CPM" counts per mile and some increments are so small that they are more accurate than anything GPS could ever think about doing..... There should be a rule that ALL cars in stock, computer controlled or not, have no sensors or electrical connections after the engine block, this would give tech a lot fewer headaches when looking a car over....the sticking point now becomes the computer controlled valve body....I just don't think they should be in a class car..... D L Rambo.....

11-21-2010, 11:37 PM	#8
Pat Cook Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 175 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire Within 5 minutes of searching the internet, found a real time speed sensor http://www.gmheng.com/speed_sensor.htm __________________ 67 Ford Fairlane F/SA 749

11-22-2010, 10:25 AM	#9
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 389 Times in 169 Posts	Re: Drive By Wire Dealership techs can only refash the vehicle computers with factory calibrations. They have no "backdoor" into the software. I do custom calibrations for new car dealerships all the time, because they can't do it. This is how I have made my living for the last 15 years. Requiring cable throttles would stop a lot of this silliness. Throttle control is not the only way to slow one down. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

11-22-2010, 10:53 AM	#10
dragracer9911 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 75 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Drive By Wire Hey Travis, does that mean the NHRA is not sending out 2011 Rules Books with the National Drgagster again this year with our membership?