HP Adjustments on NHRA.com - Page 8

bert powell · 07-10-2014, 10:45 AM

Not to mention some of the cars being built completely ignore the rules and are allowed to race. There were pictures on here a while back of a bubble car being built that had a tube chassis with all the floor replaced. Don't remember the name but it is racing now.

Super stock is in my blood but if I was starting from scratch now I would do a 275 car. Cheaper, more races and heads up.

j gardiner · 07-10-2014, 10:56 AM

Even though it is cumbersome I think you have to stick with the system that is in place now which is rating the engine combo and platform individually. There ate to many variables to do it otherwise fwd to rwd, aero, headers, carb to hood clearance etc.

Stocker 2 · 07-10-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bert powell

Not to mention some of the cars being built completely ignore the rules and are allowed to race. There were pictures on here a while back of a bubble car being built that had a tube chassis with all the floor replaced. Don't remember the name but it is racing now.

Super stock is in my blood but if I was starting from scratch now I would do a 275 car. Cheaper, more races and heads up.

After everyone saw those pictures of the floor pan, someone complained to NHRA and the car's floor was replaced with a correct floor pan.

FireSale · 07-10-2014, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Stocker 2

After everyone saw those pictures of the floor pan, someone complained to NHRA and the car's floor was replaced with a correct floor pan.

If we're talking about a Ford build, the tubular bracing was installed above the stock floorpan and covered with sheet aluminum for cosmetic reasons. He left holes for the tech to see the original pan.

Dale

Byron Worner · 07-10-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

in my latest stats only 10 FWD drive cars are are the fastest in the GT classes
hope that 55 chevy doesn't go to fast, he might get his body HP'ed, lol
GT/A … 1837 … Anthony Scinto … '94 Cavalier
GT/B … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire
GT/C … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire
GT/D … 354 … Ernie Neal … '05 Cavalier
GT/E … 5518 … Mark Jenkins … '02 Cavalier
GT/G … 3858 … Dan Jacobs … '05 Cavalier
GT/H … 1473 … Ray Scardelli … '97 Probe
GT/I … 5270 … Tim Nicholson … '67 Chevy II
GT/J … 2134 … Everett Hill … '64 Mustang
GT/K … 3997 … Bill Zaskowski … '66 Chevy II
GT/L … P270 … Rickey Pennington … '81 Malibu
GT/M … 6278 … Michael Parmenter … '55 Chevy
GT/AA … 1108 … Gary Richard … '10 Mustang
GT/BA … 2428 … Andy Fogle … '05 Cavilier
GT/CA … 3028 … Jerry Silveus … '05 Cavalier
GT/DA … 2207 … Jeff Taylor … '10 Cobalt
GT/EA … 1122 … TJ Boucher … '87 Camaro
GT/FA … 1409 … Eric Bardekoff … '68 Barracuda
GT/GA … 318 … Dan Kyle … '87 Firebird
GT/HA … 1140 … Tom Boucher … '85 Pontiac
GT/IA … 1231 … Victor Santos … '85 Firebird
GT/JA … 2619 … Joe Tysinger … '87 Firebird
GT/KA … 2117 … Glen Treadwell … '87 Camaro
GT/LA … 2117 … Glen Tredwell … '87 Camaro
GT/MA … 554 … Ron Roddel … '02 Grand Am

That list is missing a pile of fast FWD cars like Brina Splingaire, Norm Hall, Todd Franz, Mark Nowicki, Dave Layer, Bob Dennis and Irvin Johns. I'm sure I left out a bunch.

Jeff Niceswanger · 07-10-2014, 12:17 PM

Nitro
I'm courious, look up and see how many RWD GT cars won class at Indy last year....That would be a better baromometer than that list you put up...Or look at the qualifying sheet at Indy, that way,they are all on the same track and conditions....Jeff

Jim Caughlin · 07-10-2014, 12:46 PM

I would be hesitant to single out FWD conversion cars for cheating on floorpan rules, there have been numerous photos of conventional SS chassis builds (even on this website) that show blatant floorpan replacement. Have you noticed how low to the ground some of the 60's era cars have gotten? Crawl underneath most 60's era cars with a tape measure and tell me how you legally can get framerails and shocks in place without raising the floorpan? The area between the framerails is getting raised, carpeting does wonders at covering up shiney new non-factory sheetmetal.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that FWD conversion cars have an advantage as far as rules are concerned and every year the rule interpretation seems to be getting a little looser. I didn't build my FWD conversion car that long ago and it's a dinosaur compared to what is being allowed now.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

SSDiv6 · 07-10-2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

I would be hesitant to single out FWD conversion cars for cheating on floorpan rules, there have been numerous photos of conventional SS chassis builds (even on this website) that show blatant floorpan replacement. Have you noticed how low to the ground some of the 60's era cars have gotten? Crawl underneath most 60's era cars with a tape measure and tell me how you legally can get framerails and shocks in place without raising the floorpan? The area between the framerails is getting raised, carpeting does wonders at covering up shiney new non-factory sheetmetal.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that FWD conversion cars have an advantage as far as rules are concerned and every year the rule interpretation seems to be getting a little looser. I didn't build my FWD conversion car that long ago and it's a dinosaur compared to what is being allowed now.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

Agree, some of the cars are closer to a Comp Eliminator Super Modified than Super Stock.

Ryan_Haag · 07-10-2014, 01:29 PM

5 RWD GT cars won class at Indy out of 13 GT classes that had more than one car.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

Nitro
I'm courious, look up and see how many RWD GT cars won class at Indy last year....That would be a better baromometer than that list you put up...Or look at the qualifying sheet at Indy, that way,they are all on the same track and conditions....Jeff

Jim Caughlin · 07-10-2014, 01:35 PM

Actually, I would question if some of the chassis builders even view the spec for a Comp type Super Mod chassis and an SS type Modifed chassis as being any different. I think they are pretty much 'stamping' them out of the same mold...

07-10-2014, 10:45 AM	#71
bert powell Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 243 Likes: 36 Liked 34 Times in 12 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com Not to mention some of the cars being built completely ignore the rules and are allowed to race. There were pictures on here a while back of a bubble car being built that had a tube chassis with all the floor replaced. Don't remember the name but it is racing now. Super stock is in my blood but if I was starting from scratch now I would do a 275 car. Cheaper, more races and heads up.

07-10-2014, 10:56 AM	#72
j gardiner Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: waldorf Posts: 221 Likes: 14 Liked 55 Times in 29 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com Even though it is cumbersome I think you have to stick with the system that is in place now which is rating the engine combo and platform individually. There ate to many variables to do it otherwise fwd to rwd, aero, headers, carb to hood clearance etc.

07-10-2014, 12:17 PM	#76
Jeff Niceswanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 894 Likes: 686 Liked 1,034 Times in 368 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com Nitro I'm courious, look up and see how many RWD GT cars won class at Indy last year....That would be a better baromometer than that list you put up...Or look at the qualifying sheet at Indy, that way,they are all on the same track and conditions....Jeff __________________ Jeff Niceswanger 3740 SS

07-10-2014, 12:46 PM	#77
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 685 Likes: 82 Liked 805 Times in 245 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com I would be hesitant to single out FWD conversion cars for cheating on floorpan rules, there have been numerous photos of conventional SS chassis builds (even on this website) that show blatant floorpan replacement. Have you noticed how low to the ground some of the 60's era cars have gotten? Crawl underneath most 60's era cars with a tape measure and tell me how you legally can get framerails and shocks in place without raising the floorpan? The area between the framerails is getting raised, carpeting does wonders at covering up shiney new non-factory sheetmetal. Don't get me wrong, I agree that FWD conversion cars have an advantage as far as rules are concerned and every year the rule interpretation seems to be getting a little looser. I didn't build my FWD conversion car that long ago and it's a dinosaur compared to what is being allowed now. Jim Caughlin SS 6019

07-10-2014, 01:35 PM	#80
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 685 Likes: 82 Liked 805 Times in 245 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com Actually, I would question if some of the chassis builders even view the spec for a Comp type Super Mod chassis and an SS type Modifed chassis as being any different. I think they are pretty much 'stamping' them out of the same mold...