Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products

[rawhide]

Both the bore and stroke are increased in the 5.2L Voodoo Shelby engine.

Roland

[kdanner]

Originally Posted by rawhide

Both the bore and stroke are increased in the 5.2L Voodoo Shelby engine.

Roland

Increases that mean basically nothing. A 5.0 is already going to be at the stock bore of a 5.2, which is still less than the allowed overbore but there is simply no more room left. Stroke difference is only 0.011".

[rawhide]

I was just stating that the bore and stroke are increased in the 5.2L over the 5.0L. I don't care how much are how little it is. Sorry if it offended you.

Roland

[Tom Dolan]

Originally Posted by rawhide

Brian Wolfe was promoted out of Ford Racing at the end of 2009. Jesse Kershaw was the drag racing manager but left last year I believe. Mike had been the circle track manager but left Ford and then came back to be drag racing manager when Jesse left. I would have found someone who races a Ford myself to manage drag racing. I wish that Jesse would return but there are probably politics that I do not know about that might prevent that.

Roland

Thanks, that explains everything. Politics seem to get in the way of common sense. I'm wondering how they will get back the customers they have lost and pissed off. Ford has a terrible track record, look what they did to Glidden.

[Jesse Kershaw]

I know I'm getting off topic for the thread a bit but I want to share a few thoughts.

First - thank you for the kind words from many of you. Going to the track and working with racers was the best part of my job, it rejuvenated me. I'm grateful to anyone who appreciated my efforts.

Regarding the 5.0 v 5.2, I wanted to keep the CJ in the guide as a 5.0 for leverage in negotiations. The bore spacing on the Coyote based engines is such that a 5.0 with the NHRA max overbore is a 5.2, however starting with the 5.2 there isn't material left between the bores to go another .070 or .080" over. From my perspective the racers could have a 5.2l but petitioning NHRA for some other benefit sounded better when Ford "only" had a 5.0.

[Rob Wright]

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw

Regarding the 5.0 v 5.2, I wanted to keep the CJ in the guide as a 5.0 for leverage in negotiations. The bore spacing on the Coyote based engines is such that a 5.0 with the NHRA max overbore is a 5.2, however starting with the 5.2 there isn't material left between the bores to go another .070 or .080" over. From my perspective the racers could have a 5.2l but petitioning NHRA for some other benefit sounded better when Ford "only" had a 5.0.

Well played.

There were only a couple of us in that situation that "get it".

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by Rob Wright

So if torque is ET those 5.0's must make a lot of it, considering how much quicker most of them are in 60' and 330' compared to the others.

I have a spreadsheet that is jammed with incremental times from a couple of races with all competitors "good" runs.....if I remember to do it I will post a pic of it when I get home tonight.

Rob,
Anybody can make a car with no torque run to the 330. Our 5.0L N/A Cobra Jet has been 1.18 60ft.'s and the motor makes no torque.
Leaving at 6500 with a lot of gear in it and a lot rpm.


Torque really comes into play on the gear transfer. That is why the more cubic inch cars can leave softer so they don't spin and they can make it up after the 330. In fact if you have a spread sheet there is only 3 to 4 Cobra Jets at every event and 10 to 11 Copo's at every event and a few Dodges. The Cobra Jets have spun off the line more than any other brand because they are trying to leave harder.


Hope this helps
Jim D'Amore

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw

I know I'm getting off topic for the thread a bit but I want to share a few thoughts.

First - thank you for the kind words from many of you. Going to the track and working with racers was the best part of my job, it rejuvenated me. I'm grateful to anyone who appreciated my efforts.

Regarding the 5.0 v 5.2, I wanted to keep the CJ in the guide as a 5.0 for leverage in negotiations. The bore spacing on the Coyote based engines is such that a 5.0 with the NHRA max overbore is a 5.2, however starting with the 5.2 there isn't material left between the bores to go another .070 or .080" over. From my perspective the racers could have a 5.2l but petitioning NHRA for some other benefit sounded better when Ford "only" had a 5.0.

Jesse,


It was great seeing you at Norwalk. Nice to see you still have passion for the Cobra Jet racers. One of the things I have always highly respected you for is when any Ford racer at any event that you were at that had a problem you never left till the problem was solved. I remember Calvert had problems with his engine at Englishtown, you stayed with him in my engine building till way after midnight. You have done the same for me going back all the way to 2007 and Don Fezell .

I can not say the same for the current drag race manager.


In my opinion there is no one left in Ford Performance that has passion or a true understanding for our sport. I have spent time with them recently in the hopes that they realize how much this means to us and Ford Motor Company.


Jim D'Amore

[davidhuff]

I know you have a lot of respect for Jesse Kershaw and I know how hard you work for Ford Cobra Jet Owners and I respect Jim D'Amore for all his dedication and being one of the best tuners in the country.Keep up the hard fight!

[bubski]

"Been racing stock and S/S cars since 1973" And shafting Ford racers , the company I work for since 2016 !! Cheers !!!