Year End Power For S/SS

[Coleydog]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Because that’s not what stock eliminator is about. Most of us race because of the 5% chance of the heads up. Without it, no reason to participate in the class or follow the rules. No thanks, let the pissing continue.

Don't think so, back in the beginning it was all handicap racing, flagman, you got car lengths, unless you ran against your own brand. Most on here remember that I hope. Stock eliminator was not about heads up racing. Your index was the national record, No dial, but the little guy had no chance with that.
You wanna run heads up, go pro stock.
I know brackets are not the answer but something has to change.
NHRA is almost fed up with stock-super stock.

[jimmyparker]

Don't think so, back in the beginning it was all handicap racing, flagman, you got car lengths, unless you ran against your own brand. Most on here remember that I hope. Stock eliminator was not about heads up racing. Your index was the national record, No dial, but the little guy had no chance with that.
You wanna run heads up, go pro stock.
I know brackets are not the answer but something has to change.
NHRA is almost fed up with stock-super stock.


Mr. Coley, I was racing in the era you reference and we had to win class in order to run the eliminator. I ran a 53 Olds in J/SA in the early sixties and there might be six or eight cars in my class every week. Yes, the car length spots were bad but running heads up for class was enjoyable.

[TD3506]

NHRA is almost fed up with stock-super stock.

Mike... have an opinion... but don't be that guy. Work on your stuff to make it faster or go find somewhere to race where you don't have to be concerned with heads up runs. Making bs statements accomplishes nothing worthwhile.

Troy Galbraith

[Darrel Goheen]

Having completed my 4th year of racing Stock at a total of 40 divisional and national events. Not one time did I hear anyone at a race say they were hoping for a heads up race. I only hear that on classracer.com. I've heard countless times racers saying they were trying to avoid a heads up race. I'm all for having class run offs at national and divisionals for those that can afford to go fast and to show their achievements. I'm not sure how many Stock racers are willing to lose a few heads up races and keep entering events. I've been fortunate to have raced those 40 events and have never had a heads up in regular eliminations. I don't know that I've ever not been the slowest car in my class. I love Stock Eliminator because of the (mostly) stock looking cars and the great people, however losing a few heads up races would drive me out of the class. I know many of you will think or say, "if you can't make your car go faster just go bracket racing." Yes I can and would do that but how many other racers are you willing to lose because they can't afford to make their car heads up competitive? If Stock is truly a performance class why are racers concerned about getting HP, why are there so many racers lifting way before the finish line in qualifying or a heads up race where they're the faster car? Seems contradictory to showing performance of your car.

I didn't write this to rile anyone up or start an argument nor asking for a change to the class for myself only. Thanks.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Because that’s not what stock eliminator is about. Most of us race because of the 5% chance of the heads up. Without it, no reason to participate in the class or follow the rules. No thanks, let the pissing continue.

I don't have a dog in the hunt.

But I'm curious. Of all the Stock/SS racers who can run their index or quicker, aprox what percentage of racers actually have a decent chance of winning a heads-up race ?

I mean, just from lookin at the qualifying sheets at big races, it appears that anybody on the bottom half of the list has little to no chance of winning a heads-up run, unless there are only 2 or 3 cars in their class, & they're all slow.

So, judging from this, I'd guess that those with slow cars are not doing it because of the heads-up runs, but IN SPITE of the heads-up runs. The few guys who are the quickest in their class, or close enuff to actually have a chance, may be the only ones who really like heads-up runs. For the quickest cars, some heads-up runs are sorta like a free time trial during elims. Helps decide dial-in for the next round.

Again, no dog in the hunt. Just my thoughts on the subject. And, I also raced Stock, using spots. 1st to the finish line won. Won some. Lost Some. Also raced Stock off track records. Anything quicker was a breakout. Won some. Lost some.

[Ed Carpenter]

It’s real simple if you don’t like S or SS get the hell out. If you don’t think there should be heads up get the hell out. Stop bitching and screwing it up for the rest of us. Class racing is awesome. Why people enter a performance based class and then constantly bitch about the other fast cars drives me nuts. Is my **** the fastest out there? No it’s not but we have gotten faster the past few years and we’ll be faster next year. What a world we live in now......

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

It’s real simple if you don’t like S or SS get the hell out. If you don’t think there should be heads up get the hell out. Stop bitching and screwing it up for the rest of us. Class racing is awesome. Why people enter a performance based class and then constantly bitch about the other fast cars drives me nuts. Is my **** the fastest out there? No it’s not but we have gotten faster the past few years and we’ll be faster next year. What a world we live in now......

What a world we live in now ? ...Hey ED, the SLACKERS want us to change the rules to accommodate them .....What a crock of ....??....

[Nmbr1GMfan]

For me, it's all about heads up runs. Don't care to put a dial in on the window.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

It’s real simple if you don’t like S or SS get the hell out. If you don’t think there should be heads up get the hell out. Stop bitching and screwing it up for the rest of us. Class racing is awesome. Why people enter a performance based class and then constantly bitch about the other fast cars drives me nuts. Is my **** the fastest out there? No it’s not but we have gotten faster the past few years and we’ll be faster next year. What a world we live in now......

Amen brother Ed!! Amen! Jim

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[james schaechter]

No question that the system is not perfect, but then again, it never was. I think there is at least a balance on bracket vs performance. Go back and look. Some key races were won because of performance. That makes it fun. I have been the quicker car and the slower car in heads up runs. They are all fun and a challenge.

It isn’t Comp Elia where every round is performance. That is very cool, but out of reach for many. I think stock superstock is a way for almost all to play and enjoy the sport. Not cheap or entry level, but in reach for anyone that really makes a commitment to race in it.
If we cut out heads up runs, what is next? Dial above the index? No minimum weight? Delay boxes and stutter boxes?

I don’t have any problem with non performance classes. Just don’t try to get into a perf class and take away all the performance incentive.