Index Change Rumor

[Jim Whitehead]

Ha Barry. My post was not meant to be negative towards you. I agree most new racers are second or third generation racers. This may be in part because that was the only way they where exposed to the sport. I dont think NHRA does anything to promote Stock/or super stock. Also i see a lot of negative comments on this forum and in person when someone says they want to get into stock.
I agree the system is broken. Yes it is a performance based category

Maybe NHRA should raise the trigger to . 1.15 Under for a review, and 1.25 on automatic hits.
Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.

[B Parker]

Tim just for your info even though it's none of your business I paid for test and tune long before they started the gamblers race. The gamblers race was as you said was 25 dollars to enter. Less than 20 joined how much did you think it was going to pay. At several of the ASRA meets I see cars all the time running test and tune and the ASAR race. Is there a rule against it? I'm not missing your point your missing mine. You my friend have no say in how and when I race my car and I have none in yours!! You act like you are new to Stock but you are second generation and have been at the races for years with your dad. When we ran in the third round if you told me that if I beat you it was going to ruin your weekend and take the wind out of your sails would you have wanted me to take a dive. Would you have felt better knowing that you really didn't win that round. Not me. I'm sorry you were so upset. Instead of complaining to everyone there why didn't you come over and tell me how you felt. I would have told you why I decided not to race in the final. The right I had the choice to make by beating you. As I said I just didn't think it was worth me beating on my car anymore. My choice not yours. Greg won 200 when Marc gave me the money I believe it was 125. I will buy a participation trophy and keep it in my trailer so if we race again and if you loose I will give it to you. Than maybe you will feel better. This sport is a tough one. Your going to need to handle a loss better and understand you can only control how you race not others. Again if it was the main ASRA on Sunday I would have gone up for the final. BP

[B Parker]

[QUOTE=Jim Whitehead;602689]Ha Barry. My post was not meant to be negative towards you. I agree most new racers are second or third generation racers. This may be in part because that was the only way they where exposed to the sport. I dont think NHRA does anything to promote Stock/or super stock. Also i see a lot of negative comments on this forum and in person when someone says they want to get into stock.
I agree the system is broken. Yes it is a performance based category

Maybe NHRA should raise the trigger to . 1.15 Under for a review, and 1.25 on automatic hits.
Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.[/QUOTE

Jim I didn't take it as negative. You hit the nail on the head NHRA has done nothing to show they want the average guy or girl to race Stock. I know Billy said they want new blood in the sport but I would have to question what class they want them in. If they think giving us all the after market parts driving the cost to build a competitive stocker up. Lowering the quota's at National Events to where you have to go to 6 or more grade point races. Having chased off so many paying manufactures. We all could go on. Now if that is their business plan for growing our end of the sport maybe it's time they take another look at it. BP

[Race Clean]

Originally Posted by Jim Whitehead

Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.

What about change it so people can't play the average game?
Only use the 2-3 fastest numbers a year from each racer eng/car combo towards the average.
That could make the averages a little more accurate.

[tstickff]

Originally Posted by B Parker

Tim just for your info even though it's none of your business I paid for test and tune long before they started the gamblers race. The gamblers race was as you said was 25 dollars to enter. Less than 20 joined how much did you think it was going to pay. At several of the ASRA meets I see cars all the time running test and tune and the ASAR race. Is there a rule against it? I'm not missing your point your missing mine. You my friend have no say in how and when I race my car and I have none in yours!! You act like you are new to Stock but you are second generation and have been at the races for years with your dad. When we ran in the third round if you told me that if I beat you it was going to ruin your weekend and take the wind out of your sails would you have wanted me to take a dive. Would you have felt better knowing that you really didn't win that round. Not me. I'm sorry you were so upset. Instead of complaining to everyone there why didn't you come over and tell me how you felt. I would have told you why I decided not to race in the final. The right I had the choice to make by beating you. As I said I just didn't think it was worth me beating on my car anymore. My choice not yours. Greg won 200 when Marc gave me the money I believe it was 125. I will buy a participation trophy and keep it in my trailer so if we race again and if you loose I will give it to you. Than maybe you will feel better. This sport is a tough one. Your going to need to handle a loss better and understand you can only control how you race not others. Again if it was the main ASRA on Sunday I would have gone up for the final. BP

Barry, I said my peace, but you can’t seem to let it go, I wasn’t that upset about it, to tell the truth it was more your pompous attitude about it that bothered me more, I wasn’t upset about the 200 dollars, and no I wouldn’t have asked you to take a dive, I don’t operate that way, and I wouldn’t expect you to either, again, it was more how you went about it. I can take a loss just fine, and yes I have been around for a while and I respect my elders, but when something like that happens to you, I’m sure you would have lost a little respect for that person also, just my opinion. Believe me, if I couldn’t afford this game, I wouldn’t be doing it. But I can, and I can have my own opinion on what happened, had I known maybe I would have dialed different and not beat up on my stuff trying to win a round, maybe you could have been upfront and say hey after this pass I’m done. Maybe next time just be upfront to your competition that’s all, and your right it’s none of my business either way!

[Herbie Null]

Lower all the indexes by 3 tenths, change to a 1 lb weight break to create more heads up runs. Give all carb combos 15hp back, the performance base has to return back or it will stay just mostly a bracket race.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Race Clean

What about change it so people can't play the average game?
Only use the 2-3 fastest numbers a year from each racer eng/car combo towards the average.
That could make the averages a little more accurate.

Good post, "Mr.Clean" ..Even anonymous keyboard jockeys can have a contribution here LOL
It shows that people are think and contributing in the arena of ideas.

Top four runs per half year.Throw out the fastest . Average the three remaining. Over .95 under, horsepower added.
No lowering the average for hp off. Write a letter , comparing and using examples to make your case. Glendora tech has to get off their a**es and make a judgement. It's not that hard , for anyone who's been around this for a while. I know that a few of us would do it for them..half price!

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by tstickff

Barry, I said my peace, but you can’t seem to let it go, I wasn’t that upset about it, to tell the truth it was more your pompous attitude about it that bothered me more, I wasn’t upset about the 200 dollars, and no I wouldn’t have asked you to take a dive, I don’t operate that way, and I wouldn’t expect you to either, again, it was more how you went about it. I can take a loss just fine, and yes I have been around for a while and I respect my elders, but when something like that happens to you, I’m sure you would have lost a little respect for that person also, just my opinion. Believe me, if I couldn’t afford this game, I wouldn’t be doing it. But I can, and I can have my own opinion on what happened, had I known maybe I would have dialed different and not beat up on my stuff trying to win a round, maybe you could have been upfront and say hey after this pass I’m done. Maybe next time just be upfront to your competition that’s all, and your right it’s none of my business either way!

Tim I apologize I'm sure to you I did sound pompous that was not my intent. After changing a convertor and other parts testing my car was not the only thing that was tired. Didn't make that decision to after our run not to go up for the final. My brother and Danny were waiting at my pit ready to get the car going for the next round. I also beat up on my stuff trying to beat you that's what we do. I've been at this for a long time and I'm yet to tell anyone I've raced what I'm going to do on that round. If your ever around and I'm going to run my brother now that's worth watching. I will apologize in person when I see you. No way was it my intent to srew up anyone's day of racing. Barry

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Good post, "Mr.Clean" ..Even anonymous keyboard jockeys can have a contribution here LOL
It shows that people are think and contributing in the arena of ideas.

Top four runs per half year.Throw out the fastest . Average the three remaining. Over .95 under, horsepower added.
No lowering the average for hp off. Write a letter , comparing and using examples to make your case. Glendora tech has to get off their a**es and make a judgement. It's not that hard , for anyone who's been around this for a while. I know that a few of us would do it for them..half price!

This is the best idea I have heard so far. Most heavily populated classes have so many slugs that the fast cars couldn't get hit even if they tried. This idea would work.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

This is the best idea I have heard so far. Most heavily populated classes have so many slugs that the fast cars couldn't get hit even if they tried. This idea would work.

This has nothing to do with the class the car runs it had to do with the horsepower factor on the car and engine combo. The AHFS does not change the index on a class except for some of the modified classes in Super Stock. It changes the HP rating of the engine in the body style that it is running. Now it could result in the car having to run a different class if it gets more power added it might have to drop down a class. If power was removed it might move up a class.

All of this has come about from the guys that have been protecting their combo for years don't want to get hit by the AHFS. They want to be able to run all out and not get hit with HP. This is just a ploy by the fast guys to get their way and not pay. None of this is going to help the class get more participation or new blood. It wont help get more heads up races. Most likely it will backfire like everything NHRA has done recently with regard to our classes. Take a look at Comp Eliminator. That class is almost non existent due to similar things that the fast guys want to do to stock and super stock.