Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races - Page 8

Jim Cimarolli · 11-28-2007, 07:28 PM

Hey Bottomfeeder,

My point is that excessive braking is a serious issue. Why make it worse?

bottombulb · 11-28-2007, 07:45 PM

So you're going to resort to name calling because you don't know how to hit the brakes? Nice.

Jim Cimarolli · 11-28-2007, 07:51 PM

Hey dude,

You want to disagree or argue with me thats fine, thats why were all here, to discuss these matters like men. You laughed at me and made fun of my post, I take issue with that.

Dave Layer · 11-28-2007, 08:02 PM

Ed Fernandez

I try real hard not to get involved in Internet bashing, but I feel I need to reply to your coments toward me.

You are correct it is 2007, but your statement towards the price of things makes it sound like you are the one still in 1967. I don't know you at all but to me thats the way it sounded.

I ran Comp for years, Dave Dupps drove my K/A for several years. In 1998 running a limited schadule we won 3 races. We always qualified very well I think we were #1 or 2 at Indy several times. The car is sitting here in my shop. Why don't we race it any more? Same old story don't have the time or money. If I don't have the time or the $ to run comp SS/AH is way out of site.

The Daddy Warbucks thing is way out of line also. If you knew me or anyone that works in this business you probably would't have made that remark. You sure as hell aren't going to get wealthy in this bussiness, make a living yes, wealthy no. It is nothing but hard nasty assed work. You have to really love it to enjoy it.

I might be a worn out has been, but I still enjoy racing and plan to continue, I felt I had a decent year in 2007.

If you felt the comment I made about bracket guys was directed toward someone like you, you are dead wrong. I see in the lastest issue of Nitro's Stats your best run of the year as of 10/1/07 was 1.112 under. To me that is very respectable, especially in light of the comments you made about not having "Good" heads or pistons. To be that fast you must work on your car to make it faster which would make you one of the good guys in my book. My comment was directed towards people just the opposite. As a friend of mine that works in the cam business once told me "I wouldn't walk 50 feet to watch the final of a .90 eliminator final but I would run from the pits to see the class final in V/SA". That pretty much somes it up.

By the way you can just call me Dave.

SSDiv6 · 11-28-2007, 08:28 PM

...and...due to all the name bashing, insults among racers and the disagreements that they read on this forum, the reason why NHRA does not take us seriouly and make their own calls and decisions...

ss3845 · 11-28-2007, 08:32 PM

"It seems like a bunch of mainly old hasbeens resent the fact that their little world was invaded by racers who go rounds and win races and championships.
Maybe Mr. Heads Up shold just go on a "Pinks" tour in 2008.
Kevlar underwear on,flame away............"

Ed F.
NHRA #1945
IHRA #14
T/SA

I would invite you to come to a division 3 race because Dave would be kickin' your a.ss regardless if you were in his class or not. He was on a roll this year. If you think he is a "has been" then you are an idiot. He may claim not to be a "bracket racer" but he disproved that this year.

Oh, and his car is "kinda" fast also!

Jim McBean
SS3845

stockracer · 11-28-2007, 08:48 PM

Why wouldnt NHRA want to get rid of us? Everytime they change something for us, the loosers still find something to whine about! Times are changing, change with them or continue to loose!

All these cheaters are deepstaging, get rid of it and you'll see a difference! HA!
I cant wait to see the out come of the button issue next year when the top 10 doesnt change!
Holding a dime is the new way to do things! Just because you cant do it dont mean its wrong!

This has becom the classbitcher.com

GO RACE, LEARN HOW TO WIN, GET OVER IT.

-1.15 under automatic hp would be great! After a year the field will be closer then ever!

Beard...The I-Sides looking better all the time! lol

Bruce Noland · 11-28-2007, 09:08 PM

Ed,

Sometimes we are on the opposite sides of a discussion and it looks like we are again.

I had the pleasure of meeting Dave Layer at Orlando this year and he is nothing short of a straight up guy. We were pitted next to each other and I found him to be a very reasonable intellegent man so no point in beating on him.

Now I'm a different story. I'll have to tell you that I have never begged for any thing in my life and I certainly won't beg for help from a bunch of con men running an organization that I'm paying money. They have been schuk'n and jive'n us on HP issues for years and none of them will ever give a straight answer to a straight question. For instance I have asked Imbrogno and everybody I can think of at nhra to give me a straight answer about all the unpublished changes to the ahfs. Did you notice that Len failed to answer that question once again? I have stacks of emails and letters that I have written to these folks with little or no responses. Certainly never a straight answer! And I'm damn tired of playing Mr. Nice Guy with a bunch of people who are getting over on us. Yea sure you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar but we are dealing with teflon coated flies!

Ed Fernandez · 11-28-2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Layer

Ed Fernandez

I try real hard not to get involved in Internet bashing, but I feel I need to reply to your coments toward me.

You are correct it is 2007, but your statement towards the price of things makes it sound like you are the one still in 1967. I don't know you at all but to me thats the way it sounded.

I ran Comp for years, Dave Dupps drove my K/A for several years. In 1998 running a limited schadule we won 3 races. We always qualified very well I think we were #1 or 2 at Indy several times. The car is sitting here in my shop. Why don't we race it any more? Same old story don't have the time or money. If I don't have the time or the $ to run comp SS/AH is way out of site.

The Daddy Warbucks thing is way out of line also. If you knew me or anyone that works in this business you probably would't have made that remark. You sure as hell aren't going to get wealthy in this bussiness, make a living yes, wealthy no. It is nothing but hard nasty assed work. You have to really love it to enjoy it.

I might be a worn out has been, but I still enjoy racing and plan to continue, I felt I had a decent year in 2007.

If you felt the comment I made about bracket guys was directed toward someone like you, you are dead wrong. I see in the lastest issue of Nitro's Stats your best run of the year as of 10/1/07 was 1.112 under. To me that is very respectable, especially in light of the comments you made about not having "Good" heads or pistons. To be that fast you must work on your car to make it faster which would make you one of the good guys in my book. My comment was directed towards people just the opposite. As a friend of mine that works in the cam business once told me "I wouldn't walk 50 feet to watch the final of a .90 eliminator final but I would run from the pits to see the class final in V/SA". That pretty much somes it up.

By the way you can just call me Dave.

Dave;
I full well know the prices of parts,labor,travel,entry fees etc.and I wish they were still at 1967 levels.Some of my comments were not directly aimed at you(hasbeens)
Here in Div. 1 most of the so called bracket racers of any concequence who go rounds and run for div. and national points also have deadly fast cars.No need to name names,they onlyshow it when needed.Maybe Evan's
idea about awarding qualifying will helpthe situation.
The Daddy Warbucks comment was actually directed at the guys with bottomless pockets who'sbank accounts limit their ability to hammer their indexes.Being in a lower
uncrowded class doesn't it really hasn't much effect on me but from H and up someof these guys have more money in a short block than I have inmy entirecar,and that's a fact Jack.
As far as the performance of my car I can only thank Tom
Goldman,he's the brains I'm only the nut behind the wheel,who occasionly shows signs of brilliance.
Sorry for not being clearer in my post,us old guys gotta stick together.
Bruce,I still love ya.

Ed F.

Big Road · 11-28-2007, 10:22 PM

How about this? Let the 1.15 go down then we could all leave our rigs in arizona go as fast as we want and nothing will happen just race alt factor tracks .

11-28-2007, 07:28 PM	#71
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 743 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races Hey Bottomfeeder, My point is that excessive braking is a serious issue. Why make it worse?

11-28-2007, 07:45 PM	#72
bottombulb Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hammonton NJ Posts: 28 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races So you're going to resort to name calling because you don't know how to hit the brakes? Nice.

11-28-2007, 07:51 PM	#73
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 743 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races Hey dude, You want to disagree or argue with me thats fine, thats why were all here, to discuss these matters like men. You laughed at me and made fun of my post, I take issue with that.

11-28-2007, 08:02 PM	#74
Dave Layer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 93 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races Ed Fernandez I try real hard not to get involved in Internet bashing, but I feel I need to reply to your coments toward me. You are correct it is 2007, but your statement towards the price of things makes it sound like you are the one still in 1967. I don't know you at all but to me thats the way it sounded. I ran Comp for years, Dave Dupps drove my K/A for several years. In 1998 running a limited schadule we won 3 races. We always qualified very well I think we were #1 or 2 at Indy several times. The car is sitting here in my shop. Why don't we race it any more? Same old story don't have the time or money. If I don't have the time or the $ to run comp SS/AH is way out of site. The Daddy Warbucks thing is way out of line also. If you knew me or anyone that works in this business you probably would't have made that remark. You sure as hell aren't going to get wealthy in this bussiness, make a living yes, wealthy no. It is nothing but hard nasty assed work. You have to really love it to enjoy it. I might be a worn out has been, but I still enjoy racing and plan to continue, I felt I had a decent year in 2007. If you felt the comment I made about bracket guys was directed toward someone like you, you are dead wrong. I see in the lastest issue of Nitro's Stats your best run of the year as of 10/1/07 was 1.112 under. To me that is very respectable, especially in light of the comments you made about not having "Good" heads or pistons. To be that fast you must work on your car to make it faster which would make you one of the good guys in my book. My comment was directed towards people just the opposite. As a friend of mine that works in the cam business once told me "I wouldn't walk 50 feet to watch the final of a .90 eliminator final but I would run from the pits to see the class final in V/SA". That pretty much somes it up. By the way you can just call me Dave.

11-28-2007, 08:28 PM	#75
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 3,044 Likes: 712 Liked 1,581 Times in 582 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races ...and...due to all the name bashing, insults among racers and the disagreements that they read on this forum, the reason why NHRA does not take us seriouly and make their own calls and decisions...

11-28-2007, 08:32 PM	#76
ss3845 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races "It seems like a bunch of mainly old hasbeens resent the fact that their little world was invaded by racers who go rounds and win races and championships. Maybe Mr. Heads Up shold just go on a "Pinks" tour in 2008. Kevlar underwear on,flame away............" Ed F. NHRA #1945 IHRA #14 T/SA I would invite you to come to a division 3 race because Dave would be kickin' your a.ss regardless if you were in his class or not. He was on a roll this year. If you think he is a "has been" then you are an idiot. He may claim not to be a "bracket racer" but he disproved that this year. Oh, and his car is "kinda" fast also! Jim McBean SS3845

11-28-2007, 08:48 PM	#77
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races Why wouldnt NHRA want to get rid of us? Everytime they change something for us, the loosers still find something to whine about! Times are changing, change with them or continue to loose! All these cheaters are deepstaging, get rid of it and you'll see a difference! HA! I cant wait to see the out come of the button issue next year when the top 10 doesnt change! Holding a dime is the new way to do things! Just because you cant do it dont mean its wrong! This has becom the classbitcher.com GO RACE, LEARN HOW TO WIN, GET OVER IT. -1.15 under automatic hp would be great! After a year the field will be closer then ever! Beard...The I-Sides looking better all the time! lol

11-28-2007, 09:08 PM	#78
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races Ed, Sometimes we are on the opposite sides of a discussion and it looks like we are again. I had the pleasure of meeting Dave Layer at Orlando this year and he is nothing short of a straight up guy. We were pitted next to each other and I found him to be a very reasonable intellegent man so no point in beating on him. Now I'm a different story. I'll have to tell you that I have never begged for any thing in my life and I certainly won't beg for help from a bunch of con men running an organization that I'm paying money. They have been schuk'n and jive'n us on HP issues for years and none of them will ever give a straight answer to a straight question. For instance I have asked Imbrogno and everybody I can think of at nhra to give me a straight answer about all the unpublished changes to the ahfs. Did you notice that Len failed to answer that question once again? I have stacks of emails and letters that I have written to these folks with little or no responses. Certainly never a straight answer! And I'm damn tired of playing Mr. Nice Guy with a bunch of people who are getting over on us. Yea sure you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar but we are dealing with teflon coated flies! __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

11-28-2007, 10:22 PM	#80
Big Road Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 55 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races How about this? Let the 1.15 go down then we could all leave our rigs in arizona go as fast as we want and nothing will happen just race alt factor tracks .