Unmitigated Greed - Page 9

Greg Hill · 04-09-2009, 05:04 PM

I guess I'm lucky. Saturday night I can race combo at Ohio Valley for $50 with a chance to win $1000. Next Sunday the 18th I can do the same thing in Bowling Green. I decided over the winter to not run any National events. The total lack of respect for the racers and the arrogance of the NHRA management is unbelievable. Last year being on the SRAC really opened my eyes. I am going to run the d3 races and maybe the sportsnational race in Columbus and as many local combo races that I can. I'm 2 hours from Indy and I also am not going to participate in that this year. Some good promoter needs to put on a sportsman race that pays good money Labor Day weekend. I think the attendance would surprise them.

The management of NHRA does not own the organization. They are merely caretakers and happen to be doing a bad job at that.

Rich Biebel · 04-09-2009, 05:13 PM

NHRA.....National Hot Rod Association......sounds like a group of people who formed an organization to support something they like to do. Only problem is the members of the organization have no input to what happens to their association.....and quite frankly we never had a say in what happens......Not in 1966 when I started and not in 2009. Maybe a little grumbling got things changed here and there but not very often and not in any hurry. ..........Some people are P.O.'ed at the cost increases....some people think it's a drop in the bucket and happy to have the opportunity to race. NHRA does whatever it wants to do and basically always has.........Remember Modified Eliminator.....How about Pro Stock Trucks.......Pro Stock got jerked around royally as well in the early years....and there are plenty of other examples of them doing things with no input from their membership.

NHRA is apparently really feeling the pinch in their pocketbook and this is their response.......

Bunkster · 04-09-2009, 05:29 PM

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 2009
Adult Admission$10.00
Junior Admission (6-12 years)N/C

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2009
Adult Admission$14.00
Junior Admission (6-12 years)N/C

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 2009
Adult Admission$35.00
Junior Admission (6-12 years)$10.00
Adult Reserved Seat (West Side Only)$45.00
Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years)$20.00
Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under)$10.00

SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2009
Adult Admission$46.00
Junior Admission (6-12 years)$10.00
Adult Reserved Seat - West Side$58.00
Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - West Side$22.00
Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - West Side$12.00
Adult Reserved Seat - East Side$54.00
Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - East Side$18.00
Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - East Side$8.00

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 2009
Adult Admission$49.00
Junior Admission (6-12 years)$10.00
Adult Reserved Seat - West Side$61.00
Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - West Side$24.00
Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - West Side$14.00
Adult Reserved Seat - East Side$57.00
Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - East Side$20.00
Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - East Side$10.00

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 2009
Adult Admission$49.00
Junior Admission (6-12 years)$10.00
Adult Reserved Seat - West Side$61.00
Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - West Side$24.00
Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - West Side$14.00
Adult Reserved Seat - East Side$57.00
Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - East Side$20.00
Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - East Side$10.00

TOP ELIMINATOR CLUB$350.00
6-Day Super Seat - (Wednesday-Monday General Admission)$155.00
Parking - Fri., Sat., Sun. & Mon. (per day)$5.00

The above is what they charge the REAL customer at Indy this year. If I'm not mistaken, they don't charge squat for an entry ticket when the majority of class racers are on the grounds.

Why would this be? They seem to be treating you as not all that valuable.

Overpriced junk like $20 tee-shirts, snow cones, $8 hot dogs... $5 for some tepid, flat drink....Good grief, it would destroy the annual budget of any family to attend just two days of this event.

THIS is where you need to aim your attention.

Jim Woods · 04-09-2009, 06:56 PM

what kind of salary does the decision makers make per year?

aspen7709 · 04-09-2009, 08:48 PM

Hey Brett, Great Idea! Angelo Phillips and I have been talking about that-Southwest Class Racing Association. We have a plan and an idea of a 5 race points series with individual payouts per race and a final pay out to the top 3 in points after 5 races. it would be held in conjuction with either ADRA or Az super class races.They would welcome the car count and offset some of their cost of their program and the shared event would equal more payout from entry and some of the sponsor money we are trying to put together.We already have some ground criteria,and it would be run by Racers not Promoters. It would be done for the love of the sport not profit for the promotion.We are seeking input and series sponsors(to help fatten the purse)I have run it by a few AZ racers and they loved the idea but all it takes is time, money and ALOT of self promotion.We have to let people know we exist!

X-TECH MAN · 04-09-2009, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Woods

what kind of salary does the decision makers make per year?

In NHRA....More than the President of this good ole USA.

Mark Yacavone · 04-09-2009, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aspen7709

Hey Brett, Great Idea! Angelo Phillips and I have been talking about that-Southwest Class Racing Association. We have a plan and an idea of a 5 race points series with individual payouts per race and a final pay out to the top 3 in points after 5 races. it would be held in conjuction with either ADRA or Az super class races.They would welcome the car count and offset some of their cost of their program and the shared event would equal more payout from entry and some of the sponsor money we are trying to put together.We already have some ground criteria,and it would be run by Racers not Promoters. It would be done for the love of the sport not profit for the promotion.We are seeking input and series sponsors(to help fatten the purse)I have run it by a few AZ racers and they loved the idea but all it takes is time, money and ALOT of self promotion.We have to let people know we exist!

Kenny, All you need is three more dates then. We already have two. March and November @Speedworld

Brett Brown · 04-09-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aspen7709

Hey Brett, Great Idea! Angelo Phillips and I have been talking about that-Southwest Class Racing Association. We have a plan and an idea of a 5 race points series with individual payouts per race and a final pay out to the top 3 in points after 5 races. it would be held in conjuction with either ADRA or Az super class races.They would welcome the car count and offset some of their cost of their program and the shared event would equal more payout from entry and some of the sponsor money we are trying to put together.We already have some ground criteria,and it would be run by Racers not Promoters. It would be done for the love of the sport not profit for the promotion.We are seeking input and series sponsors(to help fatten the purse)I have run it by a few AZ racers and they loved the idea but all it takes is time, money and ALOT of self promotion.We have to let people know we exist!

Sounds good, but how about some races in So Cal so we aren't having to drive 350 - 400 miles to every race? Maybe a couple of races at Fontana and / or Bakersfield? I am pretty sure that there is a larger base of cars in this area, so it should be more beneficial.

04-09-2009, 10:20 PM

A West Coast Sportsman Drag Racing Association I would support 100% .... NHRA needs a little nut knudge for this latest stunt. I better stop here or I might be asked to not post here anymore...

BP

Scott Loge · 04-09-2009, 11:21 PM

This is very sad as this shows the complete lack of care or respect for the classes and competitors that started the NHRA. The leadership of this organization is totally lost as to what is real world at this time. I'm at work wondering if i will have a job next week and at the same time trying to figure how to build a class car for my son's who will be driving soon. Screwed up priorities maybe but this was a disease passed down to me by my father and my brother's and i have met truly great friends through our racing. Most of us got started through family or a neighbor, or just being there but that all is out the window now as it is time to support the local associations and local tracks. We used to attend when we could but did not interfere with our NHRA schedule as we considered this the "big show". We used all available resources and vacatiobn to attend Drag Races with the NHRA. Fishing? never learned but could read you a timeslip in 5 seconds. Camping? is it illegal to burn rubber to get the same aroma? If there is an association on the West coast I will do all I can to support and help in anyway.

Hope to see you all again

04-09-2009, 05:04 PM	#81
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Unmitigated Greed I guess I'm lucky. Saturday night I can race combo at Ohio Valley for $50 with a chance to win $1000. Next Sunday the 18th I can do the same thing in Bowling Green. I decided over the winter to not run any National events. The total lack of respect for the racers and the arrogance of the NHRA management is unbelievable. Last year being on the SRAC really opened my eyes. I am going to run the d3 races and maybe the sportsnational race in Columbus and as many local combo races that I can. I'm 2 hours from Indy and I also am not going to participate in that this year. Some good promoter needs to put on a sportsman race that pays good money Labor Day weekend. I think the attendance would surprise them. The management of NHRA does not own the organization. They are merely caretakers and happen to be doing a bad job at that. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

04-09-2009, 05:13 PM	#82
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Unmitigated Greed NHRA.....National Hot Rod Association......sounds like a group of people who formed an organization to support something they like to do. Only problem is the members of the organization have no input to what happens to their association.....and quite frankly we never had a say in what happens......Not in 1966 when I started and not in 2009. Maybe a little grumbling got things changed here and there but not very often and not in any hurry. ..........Some people are P.O.'ed at the cost increases....some people think it's a drop in the bucket and happy to have the opportunity to race. NHRA does whatever it wants to do and basically always has.........Remember Modified Eliminator.....How about Pro Stock Trucks.......Pro Stock got jerked around royally as well in the early years....and there are plenty of other examples of them doing things with no input from their membership. NHRA is apparently really feeling the pinch in their pocketbook and this is their response....... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

04-09-2009, 05:29 PM	#83
Bunkster Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 307 Likes: 0 Liked 43 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Unmitigated Greed WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 2009 Adult Admission$10.00 Junior Admission (6-12 years)N/C THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2009 Adult Admission$14.00 Junior Admission (6-12 years)N/C FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 2009 Adult Admission$35.00 Junior Admission (6-12 years)$10.00 Adult Reserved Seat (West Side Only)$45.00 Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years)$20.00 Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under)$10.00 SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2009 Adult Admission$46.00 Junior Admission (6-12 years)$10.00 Adult Reserved Seat - West Side$58.00 Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - West Side$22.00 Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - West Side$12.00 Adult Reserved Seat - East Side$54.00 Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - East Side$18.00 Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - East Side$8.00 SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 2009 Adult Admission$49.00 Junior Admission (6-12 years)$10.00 Adult Reserved Seat - West Side$61.00 Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - West Side$24.00 Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - West Side$14.00 Adult Reserved Seat - East Side$57.00 Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - East Side$20.00 Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - East Side$10.00 MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 2009 Adult Admission$49.00 Junior Admission (6-12 years)$10.00 Adult Reserved Seat - West Side$61.00 Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - West Side$24.00 Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - West Side$14.00 Adult Reserved Seat - East Side$57.00 Junior Reserved Seat (6-12 years) - East Side$20.00 Child Reserved Seat (5 years & under) - East Side$10.00 TOP ELIMINATOR CLUB$350.00 6-Day Super Seat - (Wednesday-Monday General Admission)$155.00 Parking - Fri., Sat., Sun. & Mon. (per day)$5.00 The above is what they charge the REAL customer at Indy this year. If I'm not mistaken, they don't charge squat for an entry ticket when the majority of class racers are on the grounds. Why would this be? They seem to be treating you as not all that valuable. Overpriced junk like $20 tee-shirts, snow cones, $8 hot dogs... $5 for some tepid, flat drink....Good grief, it would destroy the annual budget of any family to attend just two days of this event. THIS is where you need to aim your attention. Last edited by Bunkster; 04-09-2009 at 05:32 PM.

04-09-2009, 06:56 PM	#84
Jim Woods Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: celina, ohio Posts: 623 Likes: 4 Liked 12 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Unmitigated Greed what kind of salary does the decision makers make per year? __________________ Jim Woods

04-09-2009, 08:48 PM	#85
aspen7709 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: sunny,az Posts: 165 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Unmitigated Greed Hey Brett, Great Idea! Angelo Phillips and I have been talking about that-Southwest Class Racing Association. We have a plan and an idea of a 5 race points series with individual payouts per race and a final pay out to the top 3 in points after 5 races. it would be held in conjuction with either ADRA or Az super class races.They would welcome the car count and offset some of their cost of their program and the shared event would equal more payout from entry and some of the sponsor money we are trying to put together.We already have some ground criteria,and it would be run by Racers not Promoters. It would be done for the love of the sport not profit for the promotion.We are seeking input and series sponsors(to help fatten the purse)I have run it by a few AZ racers and they loved the idea but all it takes is time, money and ALOT of self promotion.We have to let people know we exist!

04-09-2009, 10:20 PM	#89
Barry Polley Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Unmitigated Greed A West Coast Sportsman Drag Racing Association I would support 100% .... NHRA needs a little nut knudge for this latest stunt. I better stop here or I might be asked to not post here anymore... BP

04-09-2009, 11:21 PM	#90
Scott Loge Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Livermore,Ca Posts: 334 Likes: 15 Liked 145 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Unmitigated Greed This is very sad as this shows the complete lack of care or respect for the classes and competitors that started the NHRA. The leadership of this organization is totally lost as to what is real world at this time. I'm at work wondering if i will have a job next week and at the same time trying to figure how to build a class car for my son's who will be driving soon. Screwed up priorities maybe but this was a disease passed down to me by my father and my brother's and i have met truly great friends through our racing. Most of us got started through family or a neighbor, or just being there but that all is out the window now as it is time to support the local associations and local tracks. We used to attend when we could but did not interfere with our NHRA schedule as we considered this the "big show". We used all available resources and vacatiobn to attend Drag Races with the NHRA. Fishing? never learned but could read you a timeslip in 5 seconds. Camping? is it illegal to burn rubber to get the same aroma? If there is an association on the West coast I will do all I can to support and help in anyway. Hope to see you all again