worst red light debate, again!

[Ed Fernandez]

There you go Bill.Post your email address and you and all your supporters can get your
petition to NHRA and change the face of S/SS for the unwashed masses.

[Dan Wilson]

Both lights should remain green until both cars cross the finish line and the worst offender turns red!
Dan

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

There you go Bill.Post your email address and you and all your supporters can get your
petition to NHRA and change the face of S/SS for the unwashed masses.

What a radical idea! Petition NHRA instead of ranting endlessly on an internet message board! WOW!!

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

The last two times it was discussed on this BB, I didn't initiate the discussion . But, the fact that more people (than just myself,) can understand why this needs to be changed, and would bring it up, means there is interest in it.

I like the petition idea.

It's hard for those open-minded individuals who discuss it on here, to understand the reluctance to this change, since its implementation would just remove the current system's built-in advantage for the faster-handicapped car, over the car in the other lane. The ONLY car not benefitting from this system would be a car that NEVER leaves first.... probably an AA/S car.

Tell me the downside to this.... anyone. If you can. You can leave out the cynicism, and belligerent rhetoric; Ed's already got that covered. It's his hedge agaist revealing that equality and fair play mean nothing to him; he relies on obfuscating the issues and writing an entertaining character assassination, with NO facts in it, to somehow retain his relevance on this BB (it doesn't work, but don't tell him... I enjoy the entertainment aspect,,,,)

Just tell me the downside of it; why it's a bad idea, realizing that when a rule (such as the first red light rule) condones a system that puts ANY car at a disadvantage, it's a bad rule and needs to be fixed.

No comment on the rationalization I presented? Did it not make sense? Or are you just going to ignore what I posted? Are you just going to put your head back in the sand until you hear what you want to hear?
Jeff Lee

[Casey Miles]

Jeff Lee, I will tell you that when I started racing, I only went racing with the idea of racing, not who left first by some rule book, it was set that way because the lack of technology. When I started ET racing, the left lane always got the head start because the 5 bulb Xmas tree couldn't have any other type of handicap and "one" dial in for the day. If you were the slower car you went to the left lane and if you were the faster car you went to the right lane. That's how it was. Now with the onset of the newer technology, that has been corrected so that you can now pick your lane and change your dial from round to round. The first or worst rule was only put in place because they couldn't police it like they can now. Think about it, we didn't have red light traffic cameras back then either, but now they send you tickets in the mail, technology has moved on and we are still dealing with an old out of place rule. I'm not whinning, I'm stating the facts that all handicap racing should be even and fair no matter what your speed is.
I also didn't get a car to pick how fast or what class I was going to run, I got one that I could afford at the time, I'm still racing the same car.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

Jeff Lee, I will tell you that when I started racing, I only went racing with the idea of racing, not who left first by some rule book, it was set that way because the lack of technology. When I started ET racing, the left lane always got the head start because the 5 bulb Xmas tree couldn't have any other type of handicap and "one" dial in for the day. If you were the slower car you went to the left lane and if you were the faster car you went to the right lane. That's how it was. Now with the onset of the newer technology, that has been corrected so that you can now pick your lane and change your dial from round to round. The first or worst rule was only put in place because they couldn't police it like they can now. Think about it, we didn't have red light traffic cameras back then either, but now they send you tickets in the mail, technology has moved on and we are still dealing with an old out of place rule. I'm not whinning, I'm stating the facts that all handicap racing should be even and fair no matter what your speed is.
I also didn't get a car to pick how fast or what class I was going to run, I got one that I could afford at the time, I'm still racing the same car.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

OK,since we want to rationalize about this.If they change the red light rule to even the
so called playing field then maybe the fast cars should be allowed a mulligan if they spin the tire on a $hitty track.But wait,who told them to build such a hi horsepower car.They
should have built a car like mine that 60's 1.74-1.80 and they wouldn't be at a disadvantage..But wait again.Maybe if I don't like the first foul rule maybe I should build a
higer classed car.
Let's get NHRA to raise the payouts.Now that's doable.

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

What a radical idea! Petition NHRA instead of ranting endlessly on an internet message board! WOW!!

Do you mean like YOU do against the idea ?? :-)
Even when you can't give a reasonable reason not to do it ???

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

Do you mean like YOU do against the idea ?? :-)
Even when you can't give a reasonable reason not to do it ???

As I have stated many times before: I don't care either way. Read that again. I said petition NHRA instead of ranting here. Here = nothing. NHRA = maybe. That is how hp factors get reduced, not by endless message board rants.

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

OK,since we want to rationalize about this.If they change the red light rule to even the
so called playing field then maybe the fast cars should be allowed a mulligan if they spin the tire on a $hitty track.But wait,who told them to build such a hi horsepower car.They
should have built a car like mine that 60's 1.74-1.80 and they wouldn't be at a disadvantage..But wait again.Maybe if I don't like the first foul rule maybe I should build a
higer classed car.
Let's get NHRA to raise the payouts.Now that's doable.

So let me see if I have this right.......

If a P/SA with a dial in of 12.70 races an M/SA car with 12.17 dial in the M/SA car is likely to spin the tires because it is the faster of the 2 cars???????????

And on the other hand

It would always make more sense to dial in slower than the car you are racing so that you can leave first and reduce the possibility of tire spin

Makes sense to me,
Bob

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

So let me see if I have this right.......

If a P/SA with a dial in of 12.70 races an M/SA car with 12.17 dial in the M/SA car is likely to spin the tires because it is the faster of the 2 cars???????????

And on the other hand

It would always make more sense to dial in slower than the car you are racing so that you can leave first and reduce the possibility of tire spin

Makes sense to me,
Bob

Bob the M/SA usually falls into the first leaver category.Look at the amount of A toH cars compared to L and down.My analogy is for the faster cars.It's just as silly as the crying out for justice that Dedman is calling for.
Even the suggestion that he takes his disciples and starts a petition gets ridiculed.It's no wonder that we get ***** on by NHRA,we can't even get it through some peoples heads,
some of them not even S/SS racers,that this is a non issue on here.
I give up.Change the f*ucking rule and see what happens 6 months down the road.I'm done with this bull$hit.