NHRA seeking input on Delay Boxes/Switches - Page 9

stockracer · 04-23-2007, 09:10 AM

So how deep and how much do you have to anticipate in a 12 second street car to hit a .4 tree. Average human reaction time is .2-.27 and roll out in a street car has to be .280 or more (i think) which puts me at least .480...Im just trying to figure it out

MontyC · 04-23-2007, 09:45 AM

For those of you who think delay boxes won't impove the consistancy of your reaction times you better think again. They most certainly do. Why do you think they were invented in the first place? We had a racer at our local track that could not buy a round until delay boxes came. He then won multiple track championships. Delay boxes are the great "equalizer". That is why I don't think the drivers that are winning now will want delay boxes. It will just put everybody on the same level as far as hitting the tree is concerned.
I don't know why transbrakes are "needed". Get rid of them and the issue of long, short, adjustable buttons are gone. Some might say, "my car won't leave without one." You mean before transbrakes cars just sat on the starting line? Give me a break.
Now, I'm not one of these guys that doesn't believe in modern technology. It has it's place, especially when durability and safety is concerned. But in my opinion, delay boxes would just ruin class racing.
Sombody said something about not being able to have a green with the new bulbs without a long button or something. I can't belive what I read on here sometimes.

on the chip · 04-23-2007, 10:29 AM

The only way to guarentee no electronics in these classes is to not give out reaction times! We never needed any of that stuff until they started giving us reaction times. Without reation times there is no need for delay devises.

Bunkster · 04-23-2007, 10:42 AM

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...not give out reaction times...

There's a novel idea: The slip has ET and MPH and that's it...nothing else.

Could you imagine the screaming and bit**ing if some track had the guts to simply try this without any prior notice?

That would be the perfect time to also include the "worst" redlight software.

Somebody ought to be bold and simply try this.

Jack McCarthy · 04-23-2007, 01:18 PM

that works for me... when i started we got a business card... said

ET

MPH

WIN ____ Lose ________ time trail _______

end of story... end of all the bull**** 1000 foot racers etc....

captain

Patrick Kelliher · 04-23-2007, 04:26 PM

Not giving out reaction times makes no sense. That doesn't just limit the adjustment of buttons, but the adjustment of the driver as well. I may go to a track that is set up differently, and I adjust how I react based on my timeslip. No buttons, no delay box, just my own reaction point. And leaving on the bottom bulb is harder than the top. The top bulb has fewer distractions, and I don't always leave on the first flicker of the bottom bulb, sometimes it is when the bulb is fully lit, depending on the track. I say if you don't want to drive anymore go to an established super class and let the delay boxes and throttle stops drive for you. Don't screw up the last remaining driver classes with that delay nonsense.

Chad Rhodes · 04-23-2007, 05:06 PM

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So how deep and how much do you have to anticipate in a 12 second street car to hit a .4 tree. Average human reaction time is .2-.27 and roll out in a street car has to be .280 or more (i think) which puts me at least .480...Im just trying to figure it out

not very deep and leave when the second bulb goes out, works pretty good for a street car. Aboslutely nothing like the 10 sec stocker though

Chad Rhodes
STK 2113
www.rhodesmotorsports.net

seb · 04-23-2007, 06:49 PM

I was at the Sportsnationals this past weekend and it is 100% no
to delay devices of any kind among the guys I talked with.
Granted I didn't talk to any of the young hot shoes that like the
delay buttons (two were in the stock finals I believe) but the
concensious is if you want to run delay devices run a super car
or local bracket race. Stock/SuperStock is for people who like
cars to work on and have fun with not just make money with.

SEB

Michael Beard · 04-23-2007, 07:14 PM

>> The only way to guarentee no electronics in these classes is to not give out reaction times!

That would be the best thing they could ever do FOR a delay box user! While everyone else is wondering where they are at, the box guy rolls time out until he goes red, rolls a little back in, and is in the zone.

Michael Beard
Staging Light Graphic Design & Printing
Duck Tape/Loctite Racing
H - I - J/CM '80 Volare 360 Magnum

Bruce Fulper · 04-23-2007, 07:42 PM

Did I hear that right?

NHRA is going to discontinue reaction times for one year?

Wouldn't it be nice to have just one bit less stress on race day?

Yes, I made the first part up. But I do so like that idea. I do.

But, there's too many arguments for having them. Chrondeks do screw up once and a while. And more data helps figure out what happened.

I miss my tranny brake....

04-23-2007, 01:18 PM	#85
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,321 Likes: 28 Liked 464 Times in 115 Posts	that works for me... when i started we got a business card... said ET MPH WIN ____ Lose ________ time trail _______ end of story... end of all the bull**** 1000 foot racers etc.... captain __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

04-23-2007, 07:14 PM	#89
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	>> The only way to guarentee no electronics in these classes is to not give out reaction times! That would be the best thing they could ever do FOR a delay box user! While everyone else is wondering where they are at, the box guy rolls time out until he goes red, rolls a little back in, and is in the zone. Michael Beard Staging Light Graphic Design & Printing Duck Tape/Loctite Racing H - I - J/CM '80 Volare 360 Magnum __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

04-23-2007, 09:10 AM	#81
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So how deep and how much do you have to anticipate in a 12 second street car to hit a .4 tree. Average human reaction time is .2-.27 and roll out in a street car has to be .280 or more (i think) which puts me at least .480...Im just trying to figure it out

04-23-2007, 09:45 AM	#82
MontyC Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 19 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	For those of you who think delay boxes won't impove the consistancy of your reaction times you better think again. They most certainly do. Why do you think they were invented in the first place? We had a racer at our local track that could not buy a round until delay boxes came. He then won multiple track championships. Delay boxes are the great "equalizer". That is why I don't think the drivers that are winning now will want delay boxes. It will just put everybody on the same level as far as hitting the tree is concerned. I don't know why transbrakes are "needed". Get rid of them and the issue of long, short, adjustable buttons are gone. Some might say, "my car won't leave without one." You mean before transbrakes cars just sat on the starting line? Give me a break. Now, I'm not one of these guys that doesn't believe in modern technology. It has it's place, especially when durability and safety is concerned. But in my opinion, delay boxes would just ruin class racing. Sombody said something about not being able to have a green with the new bulbs without a long button or something. I can't belive what I read on here sometimes.

04-23-2007, 10:29 AM	#83
on the chip Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: st marys, kansas Posts: 2 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The only way to guarentee no electronics in these classes is to not give out reaction times! We never needed any of that stuff until they started giving us reaction times. Without reation times there is no need for delay devises.

04-23-2007, 04:26 PM	#86
Patrick Kelliher Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 124 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not giving out reaction times makes no sense. That doesn't just limit the adjustment of buttons, but the adjustment of the driver as well. I may go to a track that is set up differently, and I adjust how I react based on my timeslip. No buttons, no delay box, just my own reaction point. And leaving on the bottom bulb is harder than the top. The top bulb has fewer distractions, and I don't always leave on the first flicker of the bottom bulb, sometimes it is when the bulb is fully lit, depending on the track. I say if you don't want to drive anymore go to an established super class and let the delay boxes and throttle stops drive for you. Don't screw up the last remaining driver classes with that delay nonsense.

04-23-2007, 06:49 PM	#88
seb Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arkadelphia,Ar Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was at the Sportsnationals this past weekend and it is 100% no to delay devices of any kind among the guys I talked with. Granted I didn't talk to any of the young hot shoes that like the delay buttons (two were in the stock finals I believe) but the concensious is if you want to run delay devices run a super car or local bracket race. Stock/SuperStock is for people who like cars to work on and have fun with not just make money with. SEB

04-23-2007, 07:42 PM	#90
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	Did I hear that right? NHRA is going to discontinue reaction times for one year? Wouldn't it be nice to have just one bit less stress on race day? Yes, I made the first part up. But I do so like that idea. I do. But, there's too many arguments for having them. Chrondeks do screw up once and a while. And more data helps figure out what happened. I miss my tranny brake....