Going DEEP....

[Bobby Fazio]

My number one concern is courtesy staging. As long as that is in effect then I don't care how anyone stages. I occasionally still run Pro ET where there is no courtesy staging rule and the other guy is deep staged before I am out of my burnout. I also preferred the pre-2007 rule where the word "Deep" had to be written on the window so everyone knew what was going on.

[James Perrone]

Joe you really need to deep stage?,I ve run you a few times and I DONT WANT YOU TO GO DEEP.According to the slip you hit the tree fine.lol Come on man!
Deep staging was voted down a few years ago.I don't care what you do in other lane .Deep staging becomes a controversy when some one gets beat .Deep guy jerked me! Then DEEP gets beat Hey I wasn't ready! With no deep staging there is no controversy. Why don't all the guys commenting and not racing chip in buy a Funny Car ..NHRA would welcome another playa!

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Joe you really need to deep stage?,I ve run you a few times and I DONT WANT YOU TO GO DEEP.According to the slip you hit the tree fine.lol Come on man!
Deep staging was voted down a few years ago.I don't care what you do in other lane .Deep staging becomes a controversy when some one gets beat .Deep guy jerked me! Then DEEP gets beat Hey I wasn't ready! With no deep staging there is no controversy. Why don't all the guys commenting and not racing chip in buy a Funny Car ..NHRA would welcome another playa!

Deep Staging would be just fine, if we were using handicapped pro .400 tree.....now that would be fun....Red lights would go down by 85%, and blocking would be a non factor. Would speed up the day too a bit.

Eric

[Dan Fletcher]

I raced at Numidia a few times in October with my sons. Many people deep stage there in footbrake. And yes, they go up and get their top bulb knocked out right away. Not attacking anyone's position, but who gives a ****? It never ceases to amaze me how so many people are concerned with what the other guy is doing.

Numidia turns off autostart when someone is a deep stager, the starter actually has to do his job, but even if they didn't, who cares. Autostart activates when three bulbs are lit. If your opponent was already deep when you approach pre-stage, you still have all the time afforded by autostart once you light the pre-stage bulb.

I really don't get it. You worry about you, I'll worry about me...

[Signman]

Got in to this deep bs when it was raging a few years ago in bracket racing.
I called and spoke to Bob Borckmeyer @ Compulink there is a way to modify the system but there was no reason to refine it further. Maple grove tested it, there were problems no other Compulink customers were interested in the DEEP modification and NHRA was already done with it. Compulink has no interest.
With Port-A-Tree growing their influence am sure they would incorporate DEEP in to their system, now go out and sell it to track owners them maybe NHRA will look at it again.
In my opinion the only way for a DEEP modification to work and be FAIR for all is stage lights must appear the same no matter the staging technique: Top Bulb = Pre-Stage; Top & Bottom Lit = Staged.
Anything else can throw off the other driver.

When getting in to bracket racing I never intended to deep stage although many of the better driver were doing it. Spoke to a track owner who explained staging and that deep was actually putting the that driver at a disadvantage because it is the his responsibility to get in first to stage deep.
That was great until starters began holding the tree for those going deep. I got burned down more than once with starters waving me in to pre-stage before deep opponent lit any light, then let my opponent burn up my converter @3200 rpms taking his sweet time getting in deep. This happened more than once at the same track same starter against the same driver!! BS

Now we have nine second cars that need to deep stage for consistency. Fine! Last time I ran Pro was told to not stage first against those going deep as there is and agreement to LET them get in deep or they would get upset and complain. BS

This is all fine and dandy for bracket racing if that's how they want to do it at their tracks, Stock is a regional and national series there needs to be consistent rules fair and agreeable to all.

Stock Eliminator is a challenge, a higher level of foot brake drag racing with limited rules if we want to race we have to step up or be happy with where we're at.

[Ron Ortiz]

According to your last statement Mr. Fletcher, this subject should come to an abrupt end. Between you and Perrone the smoke and mirrors of this subject has become clear.

I'll worry about me and you guys worry about me and my world is way more fun.

I worry about you and you worry about you and I'll watch you race the next round.

If I want to confuse someone, I'll roll in both lights and continue through, then back into the bulb. I'll then try to go red and hope you do to, but by a worst margin. While going down track I will veer over close to your lane suddenly (to get a closer look for decision making). just before I get to the finish line I will slam on the brakes to smoke my tires violently. Get to the end of the track, turn around and stop to dump some fluids out, wait for my friends so I can give them some lead that I accidentally found and then proceed past the scales and back into them as I some how forgot to weigh. I'll get into a discussion about the validity of my fuel, start complaining about everybody else, how they are illegal and a bunch of whiners. I'll go back to my pit area in the back forty and wait for the papers to be served for my drug & alcohol testing with a beer in hand.

And that was just on my first time trial.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA I have a slow car.

[Billy Nees]

Umm, Ron it's time for your meds.

[Pinballer]

Ron, what tracks do you race at? I gotta see this!!

I've seen a guy get real honked off over an official starter call and back over the tree before, but you might have that topped if you can pull this off.

[JOE ZOOM]

Originally Posted by dan fletcher

i raced at numidia a few times in october with my sons. Many people deep stage there in footbrake. And yes, they go up and get their top bulb knocked out right away. Not attacking anyone's position, but who gives a ****? It never ceases to amaze me how so many people are concerned with what the other guy is doing.

Numidia turns off autostart when someone is a deep stager, the starter actually has to do his job, but even if they didn't, who cares. Autostart activates when three bulbs are lit. If your opponent was already deep when you approach pre-stage, you still have all the time afforded by autostart once you light the pre-stage bulb.

I really don't get it. You worry about you, i'll worry about me...

amen....

[JOE ZOOM]

Originally Posted by Signman

Got in to this deep bs when it was raging a few years ago in bracket racing.
I called and spoke to Bob Borckmeyer @ Compulink there is a way to modify the system but there was no reason to refine it further. Maple grove tested it, there were problems no other Compulink customers were interested in the DEEP modification and NHRA was already done with it. Compulink has no interest.
With Port-A-Tree growing their influence am sure they would incorporate DEEP in to their system, now go out and sell it to track owners them maybe NHRA will look at it again.
In my opinion the only way for a DEEP modification to work and be FAIR for all is stage lights must appear the same no matter the staging technique: Top Bulb = Pre-Stage; Top & Bottom Lit = Staged.
Anything else can throw off the other driver.

When getting in to bracket racing I never intended to deep stage although many of the better driver were doing it. Spoke to a track owner who explained staging and that deep was actually putting the that driver at a disadvantage because it is the his responsibility to get in first to stage deep.
That was great until starters began holding the tree for those going deep. I got burned down more than once with starters waving me in to pre-stage before deep opponent lit any light, then let my opponent burn up my converter @3200 rpms taking his sweet time getting in deep. This happened more than once at the same track same starter against the same driver!! BS

Now we have nine second cars that need to deep stage for consistency. Fine! Last time I ran Pro was told to not stage first against those going deep as there is and agreement to LET them get in deep or they would get upset and complain. BS

This is all fine and dandy for bracket racing if that's how they want to do it at their tracks, Stock is a regional and national series there needs to be consistent rules fair and agreeable to all.

Stock Eliminator is a challenge, a higher level of foot brake drag racing with limited rules if we want to race we have to step up or be happy with where we're at.

Fredo(Frank).....Don't ever takes sides against da Family again...