The mines are now closed (AHFS)

[Ryan Horensky]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

I think Bobby Fazio should have a video interview on this subject with Lonnie Grimm right here on ClassRacer.com

Absolutely. But the participants of any type of call/video should only be current stock and super stock racers/car owners who actively campaign a car somewhere within the 7 divisions. Otherwise it would not be productive. You would have too many personal opinions from people who are not actively involved and not spending money to campaign a car.

[rboyle]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

Re: Ahfs
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Originally Posted by Frank Castros View Post
Eliminate the scrutiny and lower the indexes .10
It's long overdue.

rboyle: That's just dumb.

So now it's okay? Based on your like of Yac's post.

Geez Frank, sensitive? I liked the part about "I see more sandbagging, how is this going to help?" I still don't think shaving a tenth off of evverybody's index is a smart idea. It makes a second under car a 90 under car or mYbe not even but a guy that can barely run the index (which you must dial at minimum) is now non competitive. My division has at least 3 or 4 cars that have trouble running the index but they remain competitive but if they are now a tenth further away from it they are dialing a number they can't run.
So number 1 Qualifier is now still number 1 but a tenth slower and numbers 87-91 Qualifiers can't run the number at all.
That was the dumb part!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...657&zoneid=132

NHRA announces Automatic Horsepower Factor System (AHFS) Changes for 2023
In an effort to bring Stock and Super Stock back to its grass roots of being performance-based eliminators, and lengthy discussions with Racers, the SRAC, the Stock/Super Stock Rules Committee and the Rules Review Panel; NHRA has made the following changes to the Automatic Horsepower Factoring system (AHFS) for 2023.



· All runs count for end of year average

· No automatic adjustments

· No mineshaft

And it appears the -1.20 or quicker isn't immediate anymore.

This will have EXACTLY the opposite effect of what it is intended to do.

In fact, after thinking this post over for a few minutes, these changes are/were apparently made by people who don't run the eliminators and are just flat not smart.

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by rboyle

Geez Frank, sensitive? I liked the part about "I see more sandbagging, how is this going to help?" I still don't think shaving a tenth off of evverybody's index is a smart idea. It makes a second under car a 90 under car or mYbe not even but a guy that can barely run the index (which you must dial at minimum) is now non competitive. My division has at least 3 or 4 cars that have trouble running the index but they remain competitive but if they are now a tenth further away from it they are dialing a number they can't run.
So number 1 Qualifier is now still number 1 but a tenth slower and numbers 87-91 Qualifiers can't run the number at all.
That was the dumb part!

Sensitive? Not so much. I still disagree with you however I have great respect for you and other racers and understand your point of view. Especially the competitive jungle of D1.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

This will have EXACTLY the opposite effect of what it is intended to do.

Yes and no. Qualifying will be fun to watch...

In fact, after thinking this post over for a few minutes, these changes are/were apparently made by people who don't run the eliminators and are just flat not smart.

Not true...

[PozQB14]

It seems pretty obvious as to why this big rule change has been made. It was pretty cool to see Worner and Huntzberry run all out at Zmax in a heads up run. A lot of people thought they'd go to 1000' and click it and I'm glad they didn't. That was an awesome race and its what this class is all about. So, next year if that same scenario happens with another pair who can fly, they can run it all out and concentrate on lowering the average the rest of the year and not get any horsepower. This is a performance based class and while some of us dont have the deep pockets to get to that illustrious 1.00 mark, we can still be compeititve by working on our car and with our engine builder to find ways to pick up some e.t, or if you have to sit out half a season and save up some $$ to get that level where your comfortably under the index when the air is awful then so be it. Ive been in that boat, actually Im always in that boat, making sacrifices financially so I can afford to have the best engine my pockets can put together, also working with and having a solid relationship with an engine builder/machinist who understands my budget is a huge plus.

[Race Clean]

Originally Posted by Ryan Horensky

I wouldn't exactly call someone protecting their combo a stupid game. People have a lot of money and time invested in their particular combinations. I don't think I've ever met a stock/super stock racer who didn't try to protect their combo in one way or another. It doesn't matter what structure is in place. People are going to protect what they got.

That people will protect what they invested if they can is a "No-Brainer" and that was not my point, it was that you shouldn't have to call Glendora and ask about the averages your combo have before a race and that you should not have a possibility to roll back your average with sandbagging.
It should be all about how fast a combo can be "legally" of course and nothing else for the factoring.


It's NHRA's game

p.s Yes I liked the old times netter

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by rboyle

Geez Frank, sensitive? I liked the part about "I see more sandbagging, how is this going to help?" I still don't think shaving a tenth off of evverybody's index is a smart idea. It makes a second under car a 90 under car or mYbe not even but a guy that can barely run the index (which you must dial at minimum) is now non competitive. My division has at least 3 or 4 cars that have trouble running the index but they remain competitive but if they are now a tenth further away from it they are dialing a number they can't run.
So number 1 Qualifier is now still number 1 but a tenth slower and numbers 87-91 Qualifiers can't run the number at all.
That was the dumb part!

Actually, I suggested a couple of tenths..Realistically it should be 5.

I just looked and the Div 1 Stock Q results for the season. I see one guy with a good combo that's running about 2 tenths under at every race.I don't know what his game is. He's run fast before in other cars.He must be using a Target motor or something.
.I see a very few new names at the bottom and some with mechanical issues.
Billy's current ride has a long block right out of the junkyard, and he can run 5 tenths under.

Almost every day we hear that S/SS is a performance based eliminator. Also we MUST have heads -up runs in the eliminator.
But then we hear that lowering the indexes 2 tenths and keeping the triggers at the same value , to keep pace with progress, is a dumb idea.
Rich, I don't know how long you've been at this, and I know some of the newer guys don't like to hear about the good old days, but try this:
In 1978, I was fortunate to be in a divisional final. Myself and the other guy were the the only two cars to run on or under the index, for the entire event.
Today, those combos can run a full second under the index.
I guess you never drove 1000 miles to Gainesville with a S/S car and qualified 34th in a 32 car field. gee..Much too hard. I should have quit then. ;-)

How about we lower the indexes 2 tenths and then , for the guys at the bottom, over the index, we give them a participation trophy?
Then we can watch the rest of the cars run all the way to the 1320?

[Rory McNeil]

Mark, the 2 tenths that NHRA took off EVERYBODYS Indexs, (Not just the guys with "approved" aftermarket heads, intake manifolds, camshafts, carbs etc) was supposed to allow the fast guys to "all the way to 1320", but that didn`t seem to be the case, did it?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Mark, the 2 tenths that NHRA took off EVERYBODYS Indexs, (Not just the guys with "approved" aftermarket heads, intake manifolds, camshafts, carbs etc) was supposed to allow the fast guys to "all the way to 1320", but that didn`t seem to be the case, did it?

Nope, not now, but how long ago was that?
I believe it should be pre-programmed every few years..and NO goodies, such as aluminum heads, and then re-evaluated.
Oh, and put the FX cars at advertised hp..not at a charity case rating.