So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!?

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 06-26-2022, 06:23 PM

It use to be a BIG THING! Early days you would get National points for it! Now only bracket laps count! Hmmm

Frank Castros · 06-26-2022, 06:28 PM

They're saving it for a very special moment in time. Whenever that ****ing might be.

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 06-26-2022, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Castros

They're saving it for a very special moment in time. Whenever that ****ing might be.

Lolol I tried at Belle Rose it was set pretty deep. I missed it by 5 huns. Record set by mineshaft east coaster... Bucket list for me!

Jim Caughlin · 06-26-2022, 07:26 PM

NHRA doesn't even consider them important enough to list them in Nat'l Dragster. That, along with the two year rule made me decide it wasn't worth my time.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

tommy d · 06-26-2022, 08:06 PM

As a teenager I would read the NHRA records page so often that I had many of your names and hometowns memorized. Miss that about the DRAGSTER.

bubski · 06-26-2022, 08:23 PM

Bubski is thinking the problem is class racing has been overtaken by bracket racers looking for a a sitting duck who just wants a personal best ET for whatever conditions may be be !! Not very many racers left who would stay in it all the way to see if they made a positive move in Performance !! The bracket people figured this out quick and made it less desirable to work on your combo or for that matter to care about national records , that drove the record setting performance mentality out of class racing for the most part . Sure theres still guys working their AZZ off to be the best in their class but most of the time their just along for the ride with the shoe polish like the bracket guys !! Racing just like politics !! NO real leaders just politicians !! And not many real racers just bracket guys !! Nothing against bracket guys they play the rules given to them and Stock and Super Stock are pretty much the same as bracket 2 nowadays !!

Billy Nees · 06-27-2022, 07:37 AM

Ya know, there's "car guys" and "racers". Every once-in-a-while there will be a guy who's both but not very often.
There's not many "car guys" left. I guess they've all gotten old and gone streetrodding (ugh).

Robin Lawrence · 06-27-2022, 07:49 AM

I have wondered the same thing. I know that the technical expertise and manpower is getting slim. We are blessed in Division 3 to still have the people that can perform a thorough teardown.

Since I was recently the subject of their inspection we chatted about this at Norwalk during a break in their duties. National points, contingency, the list in National Dragster were mentioned. I also think that many racers(Bracket racers? LOL) are not wanting to tear down and put their stuff back together. They have their engine builders for that. I was amused by the big name builders in the barn at Indy in the past. .

I wonder also if NHRA see's National Record program as not cost effective. As in the return really doesn't justify the expense. I get it. At some point these classes evolve. New ideas and fresh thinking. If the competitors don't care why should they.

It has always been one thing that I admired. Another goal at some point.

Robin

GUMP · 06-27-2022, 07:50 AM

I think the fact that the records are no longer published has had a big impact.

The NHRA makes a huge deal about Pro records being broken, but has gone in the opposite direction with Stock and Super Stock.

Mike Pearson · 06-27-2022, 09:19 AM

On the racer side lots of us stock and super stock racers are getting older. I will be 64 this year. Early on in my career I was able to set the record in my car a couple of times. Right now I dont even know if there is a record in my class or if it is at the minimum. Personally I dont want to run qualifying all day then tear my engine down to do tech then put the thing back together to race the next day. I do build my own engines and am perfectly capable of doing that. Just dont care to. I am sure there are some that buy their engines and have never taken one apart and reassembled it to race the next morning.
Now at the D2 races we have been running one or two rounds on Saturday afternoon/evening so that eliminates the record setting and tear down. I cant remember the last time I saw someone tearing down to set a record. Especially an old guy like me.

06-26-2022, 06:23 PM	#1
PONTIAC'S REVENGE Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CARMEL, INDIANA Posts: 140 Likes: 69 Liked 49 Times in 19 Posts	So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? It use to be a BIG THING! Early days you would get National points for it! Now only bracket laps count! Hmmm

06-26-2022, 06:28 PM	#2
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,642 Likes: 2,154 Liked 2,082 Times in 769 Posts	Re: So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? They're saving it for a very special moment in time. Whenever that ***ing might be. Last edited by Frank Castros; 06-26-2022 at 06:32 PM.*

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Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 635 Likes: 70 Liked 693 Times in 208 Posts	Re: So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? NHRA doesn't even consider them important enough to list them in Nat'l Dragster. That, along with the two year rule made me decide it wasn't worth my time. Jim Caughlin SS 6019

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tommy d Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 791 Likes: 1,376 Liked 310 Times in 116 Posts	Re: So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? As a teenager I would read the NHRA records page so often that I had many of your names and hometowns memorized. Miss that about the DRAGSTER. __________________ Who owns this car, with the peace sign,mag wheels, and four on the floor?

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bubski Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 228 Likes: 14 Liked 186 Times in 63 Posts	Re: So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? Bubski is thinking the problem is class racing has been overtaken by bracket racers looking for a a sitting duck who just wants a personal best ET for whatever conditions may be be !! Not very many racers left who would stay in it all the way to see if they made a positive move in Performance !! The bracket people figured this out quick and made it less desirable to work on your combo or for that matter to care about national records , that drove the record setting performance mentality out of class racing for the most part . Sure theres still guys working their AZZ off to be the best in their class but most of the time their just along for the ride with the shoe polish like the bracket guys !! Racing just like politics !! NO real leaders just politicians !! And not many real racers just bracket guys !! Nothing against bracket guys they play the rules given to them and Stock and Super Stock are pretty much the same as bracket 2 nowadays !!

06-27-2022, 07:37 AM	#7
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,223 Likes: 3,103 Liked 6,792 Times in 1,524 Posts	Re: So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? Ya know, there's "car guys" and "racers". Every once-in-a-while there will be a guy who's both but not very often. There's not many "car guys" left. I guess they've all gotten old and gone streetrodding (ugh). __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS World's greatest Under-Achiever!

06-27-2022, 07:49 AM	#8
Robin Lawrence Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Galesburg IL. Posts: 161 Likes: 212 Liked 622 Times in 108 Posts	Re: So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? I have wondered the same thing. I know that the technical expertise and manpower is getting slim. We are blessed in Division 3 to still have the people that can perform a thorough teardown. Since I was recently the subject of their inspection we chatted about this at Norwalk during a break in their duties. National points, contingency, the list in National Dragster were mentioned. I also think that many racers(Bracket racers? LOL) are not wanting to tear down and put their stuff back together. They have their engine builders for that. I was amused by the big name builders in the barn at Indy in the past. . I wonder also if NHRA see's National Record program as not cost effective. As in the return really doesn't justify the expense. I get it. At some point these classes evolve. New ideas and fresh thinking. If the competitors don't care why should they. It has always been one thing that I admired. Another goal at some point. Robin __________________ STK 308 SS 3088

06-27-2022, 07:50 AM	#9
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,666 Likes: 1,713 Liked 1,732 Times in 418 Posts	Re: So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? I think the fact that the records are no longer published has had a big impact. The NHRA makes a huge deal about Pro records being broken, but has gone in the opposite direction with Stock and Super Stock. __________________ Daren Poole-Adams NHRA Stock/SS 2007

06-27-2022, 09:19 AM	#10
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,322 Likes: 546 Liked 1,637 Times in 503 Posts	Re: So.. Why aren't RACERS trying to set National records!? On the racer side lots of us stock and super stock racers are getting older. I will be 64 this year. Early on in my career I was able to set the record in my car a couple of times. Right now I dont even know if there is a record in my class or if it is at the minimum. Personally I dont want to run qualifying all day then tear my engine down to do tech then put the thing back together to race the next day. I do build my own engines and am perfectly capable of doing that. Just dont care to. I am sure there are some that buy their engines and have never taken one apart and reassembled it to race the next morning. Now at the D2 races we have been running one or two rounds on Saturday afternoon/evening so that eliminates the record setting and tear down. I cant remember the last time I saw someone tearing down to set a record. Especially an old guy like me. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS