Mike Graham/Gary Summers

Duane Eiskant II · 08-31-2019, 02:33 PM

Please check your pms

Mike Graham · 08-31-2019, 03:53 PM

Just in case Pat ,Ben,Wesley or Travis are reading this.... To maybe save a needless tear down. Both cars have the correct casting number heads. Just sayin.

Duane Eiskant II · 08-31-2019, 06:13 PM

Mike, we meet at Numidia this summer and I have no doubt that both you are Gary are 100% legal. I think it’s a raw deal, and feel bad for what Gary went through.

BBF67 · 09-03-2019, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Graham

Just in case Pat ,Ben,Wesley or Travis are reading this.... To maybe save a needless tear down. Both cars have the correct casting number heads. Just sayin.

So you are saying he was thrown out with a casting number of D7OE-DA?

HawkBrosMav · 09-03-2019, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BBF67

So you are saying he was thrown out with a casting number of D7OE-DA?

No I’m pretty sure he is saying both the DA and the DC head should be listed.. no reason the DC head was removed when the DA head was added..

Adger Smith · 09-03-2019, 01:31 PM

Same head, different suffix..
looks like a paper work screw up to me.

Wonder what RJ Sledge has to say about it?

Mike Graham · 09-03-2019, 02:12 PM

What I was saying was that both cars that I am associated with have the DA head. That is the head that is listed in the blueprint spec,so by definition , it is the correct head. The takeaway should be to check the blueprint spec before you build a new combination. That is what you will be held to in teardown.

RJ Sledge · 09-03-2019, 07:31 PM

I believe that once NHRA takes a good look at this it will be reversed. I'm sure that this has happened many times over the years with part numbers added and dropped by mistake when updating blueprint specs. Have seen it happen a lot and have seen many mistakes. Big problem is Ford had part numbers and casting/engineering numbers, common parts number for early Ford heads always had a "6049" middle number and casting/eng commor middle numbers were "6090" and I believe that is where NHRA got confused when adding or dropping head numbers. Like D70E-6090-da casting number on head could have been the D70E-6049-dc "part number". Same head just different numbers one a part number and the other a casting/engineering number cast on head.

You need to remember to not take anything for granted when it comes to changes to casting/part number addition and deletions. You need to keep an eye on the blueprint specs for your own combination(s). If you find something not right you need to notify Pat at NHRA and get it sorted out. And get it in writing. Wesley is the best at this, but don't know if he is getting involved in this or not now, but he understands Racers and the problems they can run into.

I can imagine that its an overwhelming job staying on top of this and mistakes happen quite often.

Gary and Mike good luck with the outcome.

R J Sledge

gsa612 · 09-20-2019, 06:29 PM

NHRA posted the reasons for the DQ's at Indy.Gary's car was bounced for an intake manifold infraction,no mention of cyl. heads.gsa612

MikeMoller · 09-20-2019, 07:52 PM

where was it posted?

08-31-2019, 02:33 PM	#1
Duane Eiskant II Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alexandria, Va Posts: 496 Likes: 256 Liked 53 Times in 31 Posts	Mike Graham/Gary Summers Please check your pms __________________ Duane Eiskant 1354 Stock/Super Stock

08-31-2019, 03:53 PM	#2
Mike Graham Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 385 Likes: 1 Liked 299 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Mike Graham/Gary Summers Just in case Pat ,Ben,Wesley or Travis are reading this.... To maybe save a needless tear down. Both cars have the correct casting number heads. Just sayin.

08-31-2019, 06:13 PM	#3
Duane Eiskant II Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alexandria, Va Posts: 496 Likes: 256 Liked 53 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Mike Graham/Gary Summers Mike, we meet at Numidia this summer and I have no doubt that both you are Gary are 100% legal. I think it’s a raw deal, and feel bad for what Gary went through. __________________ Duane Eiskant 1354 Stock/Super Stock

09-03-2019, 01:31 PM	#6
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,348 Likes: 435 Liked 677 Times in 261 Posts	Re: Mike Graham/Gary Summers Same head, different suffix.. looks like a paper work screw up to me. Wonder what RJ Sledge has to say about it? __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 09-03-2019 at 01:33 PM. Reason: add

09-03-2019, 02:12 PM	#7
Mike Graham Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 385 Likes: 1 Liked 299 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Mike Graham/Gary Summers What I was saying was that both cars that I am associated with have the DA head. That is the head that is listed in the blueprint spec,so by definition , it is the correct head. The takeaway should be to check the blueprint spec before you build a new combination. That is what you will be held to in teardown.

09-03-2019, 07:31 PM	#8
RJ Sledge Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 752 Likes: 377 Liked 249 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Mike Graham/Gary Summers I believe that once NHRA takes a good look at this it will be reversed. I'm sure that this has happened many times over the years with part numbers added and dropped by mistake when updating blueprint specs. Have seen it happen a lot and have seen many mistakes. Big problem is Ford had part numbers and casting/engineering numbers, common parts number for early Ford heads always had a "6049" middle number and casting/eng commor middle numbers were "6090" and I believe that is where NHRA got confused when adding or dropping head numbers. Like D70E-6090-da casting number on head could have been the D70E-6049-dc "part number". Same head just different numbers one a part number and the other a casting/engineering number cast on head. You need to remember to not take anything for granted when it comes to changes to casting/part number addition and deletions. You need to keep an eye on the blueprint specs for your own combination(s). If you find something not right you need to notify Pat at NHRA and get it sorted out. And get it in writing. Wesley is the best at this, but don't know if he is getting involved in this or not now, but he understands Racers and the problems they can run into. I can imagine that its an overwhelming job staying on top of this and mistakes happen quite often. Gary and Mike good luck with the outcome. R J Sledge Last edited by RJ Sledge; 09-03-2019 at 08:01 PM.

09-20-2019, 06:29 PM	#9
gsa612 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: 100th Meridian Posts: 570 Likes: 116 Liked 280 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Mike Graham/Gary Summers NHRA posted the reasons for the DQ's at Indy.Gary's car was bounced for an intake manifold infraction,no mention of cyl. heads.gsa612

09-20-2019, 07:52 PM	#10
MikeMoller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 626 Likes: 27 Liked 242 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Mike Graham/Gary Summers where was it posted? __________________ Mike Moller NHRA 203 Q-R-T/SA