Pure Stocker Thread

[cicero819]

Hey NHRA! you're missing the boat, wouldn't hurt to run this class at the Divisional level. Pure stock with only dot soft tires. I would buy a new Challenger or Mustang in a second.CR

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by cicero819

Hey NHRA! you're missing the boat, wouldn't hurt to run this class at the Divisional level. Pure stock with only dot soft tires. I would buy a new Challenger or Mustang in a second.CR

I'm with you on this, as I've had my eyes on the Challengers since they came out, and have entertained thoughts of doing the same thing. It would be nice to be able to race in Stock Eliminator with a car I can drive to/from the track, thus eliminating the need for a truck/trailer combo, and a house with an RV lot on the side of it. Plus I believe those V6 Challengers are nearly 300hp 13-14sec. monsters, as are the Camaros and Mustangs!!!

I no longer feel bad for not being 10-20yrs older so I could've bought a near new or brand new muscle car from the dealer....

[Phillip marvetz]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'm with you on this, as I've had my eyes on the Challengers since they came out, and have entertained thoughts of doing the same thing. It would be nice to be able to race in Stock Eliminator with a car I can drive to/from the track, thus eliminating the need for a truck/trailer combo, and a house with an RV lot on the side of it. Plus I believe those V6 Challengers are nearly 300hp 13-14sec. monsters, as are the Camaros and Mustangs!!!

I no longer feel bad for not being 10-20yrs older so I could've bought a near new or brand new muscle car from the dealer....

The v6 mustangs will run high 13's bone stock. Not sure about the Challengers and Camaros.

[Tand E racing]

Phillip i did'nt say you were anti IHRA the wording in your post seemed to say that or maybe i just read it wrong. i agree with you about Frank i hope he can save it, only time will tell. right now all i'm hoping for is no rain at Mission this weekend.And yes we do need more IHRA tracks on the west coast.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

The v6 mustangs will run high 13's bone stock. Not sure about the Challengers and Camaros.

I'm not sure either, about the other two? However, given that the 2010 Challenger had a 250hp V6 engine, and the car I believe weighs about 3600 lbs, I'm not feeling good about it being even a mid-14sec. car? I believe the Camaro is a couple of hundred pounds lighter, and has a stronger V6, so it should be closer to the Mustang?

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'm not sure either, about the other two? However, given that the 2010 Challenger had a 250hp V6 engine, and the car I believe weighs about 3600 lbs, I'm not feeling good about it being even a mid-14sec. car? I believe the Camaro is a couple of hundred pounds lighter, and has a stronger V6, so it should be closer to the Mustang?

Your mistaken about the car weights. Both are close to 4000 lbs.

[James L Miller]

I've seen the V6 Challengers were supposed to be 3900 pounds and some change. I've seen the V6 Chargers run 15s, so I'd say the early V6 Challengers would be low 15s stock. The newer one has more power, so they would get into the 14s I would think. I have a 2009 SE, but never ran it at the track. I looked at what sort of tires would fit the rear disc brakes. It looked like I'd have to use some DOT type sticky 17s or 18s. I don't think a 16" wheel would clear the caliper, or it would be real close.

[Dan Fahey]

Wonder if IHRA would consider calling Pure Stock - Junior Stock ?

The rules are near identical.
So were the cams.

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[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Your mistaken about the car weights. Both are close to 4000 lbs.

I got that info from the brochures about production models, that I happen to still have at home (I'll go double check what I saw and from what model years I saw it). I wish I would've seen this thread sooner so I could've replied sooner. The only other source of a comparo I'm familiar with is Car and Driver, and since they only test the top of the line in performance vehicles, they certainly didn't mess around with V6's (at least not in a comparo that I'm aware of). I will say this though, I wouldn't be surprised in the least that the Mustangs are the quickest, since I recall them being the lightest of the three....NOTE: I just went online to check out the most basic versions of the Camaro, the Challenger,and the Mustang, and here's what I found: 2012 Challenger SXT 2dr coupe...3.6L V6...5spd Auto...305hp..curb weight 3834.

2012 Camaro LS 2dr coupe...3.6L V6...6spd Auto...323hp...curb weight 3769 lbs

2012 Mustang V6 2dr coupe...3.7L V6...6spd Man...305hp...curb weight 3453 lbs

Based on this info (which the older ones I referred to show for power to weight ratio, to borrow from I believe "Alan Reinhart" (I may have mis-spelled his last name, but he's the sportsman announcer guy) who called a sportsman drag race between a Ford and a Chevy (at the '96 Fram/Autolite Nationals in Atlanta, Ga), by saying "GIVE IT TO THE FORD"!!!

Not far from 4000lbs, but not that close either....

[Jeff Kempton]

It pains me to say it, but I put my 2010 V-6 Camaro stick car on the scales last summer and with me, a full tank of gas, and an overnight bag on board it weighed 4025#. That puts it at about 3750 without the ballast, which agrees with what I just found online. The SS model is about 150 lbs. more with their bigger brakes, wheels, and added engine weight. And, I've been told that the Challenger is even heavier.

They're fun new cars but they sure aren't lightweights.