Pure Stocker Thread

GarysZ24 · 05-20-2012, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Just came back from the Richmond IHRA Pro-AM race.
There were 5 Pure Sockers C/PS, 2 H/PS, my G/PS, I/PS.

What impresssed me was the affordability just by using Pump Gas.
Most of the regular Stockers and SS run well with Pump fuel and will not let other classes use it. Does not make any sense.

It would be a Cost Saving and IHRA/NHRA should start allowing it.
In fact if both Bodies want to add Sponsors, they could encourage the National Gas Brands to get more involved.

For example 94 Octane Sunoco and other High Test street performance fuels can be sold at Stations near the Drag Strips. Storage would be far safer and fuel more stable.

If you do not need the $8 to $12 per gallon fuels the Tracks have the capacity to handle those sales.

I think marketing Pure Stock harder would bring in more racers as Stock will look a lot closer to Stock.

Especially adding the foreign owned American built cars which would create a more local track race interest.

Sure wished NHRA followed up on this.

http://www.nhra.net/2004/news/june/062202.html
(ALMACK spoted this link earlier)

Dan

We can only hope so Dan, and beyond the lower cost fuel, it would allow the engines to run cleaner, so we could help keep our clean air clean...especially in the northwest with all of your trees! My car has a low compression engine, so It would probably like the 94 Octane Sunoco, over the 110 stock legal fuel. Good luck with your racing this year!

cicero819 · 05-20-2012, 11:42 AM

Hey NHRA! you're missing the boat, wouldn't hurt to run this class at the Divisional level. Pure stock with only dot soft tires. I would buy a new Challenger or Mustang in a second.CR

GarysZ24 · 05-20-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cicero819

Hey NHRA! you're missing the boat, wouldn't hurt to run this class at the Divisional level. Pure stock with only dot soft tires. I would buy a new Challenger or Mustang in a second.CR

I'm with you on this, as I've had my eyes on the Challengers since they came out, and have entertained thoughts of doing the same thing. It would be nice to be able to race in Stock Eliminator with a car I can drive to/from the track, thus eliminating the need for a truck/trailer combo, and a house with an RV lot on the side of it. Plus I believe those V6 Challengers are nearly 300hp 13-14sec. monsters, as are the Camaros and Mustangs!!!

I no longer feel bad for not being 10-20yrs older so I could've bought a near new or brand new muscle car from the dealer....

Phillip marvetz · 05-20-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'm with you on this, as I've had my eyes on the Challengers since they came out, and have entertained thoughts of doing the same thing. It would be nice to be able to race in Stock Eliminator with a car I can drive to/from the track, thus eliminating the need for a truck/trailer combo, and a house with an RV lot on the side of it. Plus I believe those V6 Challengers are nearly 300hp 13-14sec. monsters, as are the Camaros and Mustangs!!!

I no longer feel bad for not being 10-20yrs older so I could've bought a near new or brand new muscle car from the dealer....

The v6 mustangs will run high 13's bone stock. Not sure about the Challengers and Camaros.

Tand E racing · 05-21-2012, 12:21 AM

Phillip i did'nt say you were anti IHRA the wording in your post seemed to say that or maybe i just read it wrong. i agree with you about Frank i hope he can save it, only time will tell. right now all i'm hoping for is no rain at Mission this weekend.And yes we do need more IHRA tracks on the west coast.

GarysZ24 · 06-05-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

The v6 mustangs will run high 13's bone stock. Not sure about the Challengers and Camaros.

I'm not sure either, about the other two? However, given that the 2010 Challenger had a 250hp V6 engine, and the car I believe weighs about 3600 lbs, I'm not feeling good about it being even a mid-14sec. car? I believe the Camaro is a couple of hundred pounds lighter, and has a stronger V6, so it should be closer to the Mustang?

Ed Wright · 06-17-2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'm not sure either, about the other two? However, given that the 2010 Challenger had a 250hp V6 engine, and the car I believe weighs about 3600 lbs, I'm not feeling good about it being even a mid-14sec. car? I believe the Camaro is a couple of hundred pounds lighter, and has a stronger V6, so it should be closer to the Mustang?

Your mistaken about the car weights. Both are close to 4000 lbs.

James L Miller · 06-17-2012, 10:50 AM

I've seen the V6 Challengers were supposed to be 3900 pounds and some change. I've seen the V6 Chargers run 15s, so I'd say the early V6 Challengers would be low 15s stock. The newer one has more power, so they would get into the 14s I would think. I have a 2009 SE, but never ran it at the track. I looked at what sort of tires would fit the rear disc brakes. It looked like I'd have to use some DOT type sticky 17s or 18s. I don't think a 16" wheel would clear the caliper, or it would be real close.

GarysZ24 · 10-05-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Your mistaken about the car weights. Both are close to 4000 lbs.

I got that info from the brochures about production models, that I happen to still have at home (I'll go double check what I saw and from what model years I saw it). I wish I would've seen this thread sooner so I could've replied sooner. The only other source of a comparo I'm familiar with is Car and Driver, and since they only test the top of the line in performance vehicles, they certainly didn't mess around with V6's (at least not in a comparo that I'm aware of). I will say this though, I wouldn't be surprised in the least that the Mustangs are the quickest, since I recall them being the lightest of the three....NOTE: I just went online to check out the most basic versions of the Camaro, the Challenger,and the Mustang, and here's what I found: 2012 Challenger SXT 2dr coupe...3.6L V6...5spd Auto...305hp..curb weight 3834.

2012 Camaro LS 2dr coupe...3.6L V6...6spd Auto...323hp...curb weight 3769 lbs

2012 Mustang V6 2dr coupe...3.7L V6...6spd Man...305hp...curb weight 3453 lbs

Based on this info (which the older ones I referred to show for power to weight ratio, to borrow from I believe "Alan Reinhart" (I may have mis-spelled his last name, but he's the sportsman announcer guy) who called a sportsman drag race between a Ford and a Chevy (at the '96 Fram/Autolite Nationals in Atlanta, Ga), by saying "GIVE IT TO THE FORD"!!!

Not far from 4000lbs, but not that close either....

Dan Fahey · 05-20-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

We can only hope so Dan, and beyond the lower cost fuel, it would allow the engines to run cleaner, so we could help keep our clean air clean...especially in the northwest with all of your trees! My car has a low compression engine, so It would probably like the 94 Octane Sunoco, over the 110 stock legal fuel. Good luck with your racing this year!

Thanks...does 110 racing gas make Stocker and Super Stockers run quicker?

Just ran at the 1st Annual Northern Super Heavy Shoot-out at Cecil County Dragway
It was a lot of fun..my car weighed 4390# to 4325# and made 9 runs.
There was enough time to make 15 T&T runs before running the competitions.
On racer made 22 runs.

Love the idea being able to keep costs low and put them into the car.
I filled up with Sunoco 93 Octane near the track.

Just think it is not good judgement by IHRA and NHRA forcing racers to use race gas.
When Pump Gas is useable for Stock Cars.

I can see for high compression but most of our cars are not.

Dan

05-20-2012, 11:42 AM	#2
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Pure Stocker Thread Hey NHRA! you're missing the boat, wouldn't hurt to run this class at the Divisional level. Pure stock with only dot soft tires. I would buy a new Challenger or Mustang in a second.CR

05-21-2012, 12:21 AM	#5
Tand E racing Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pure Stocker Thread Phillip i did'nt say you were anti IHRA the wording in your post seemed to say that or maybe i just read it wrong. i agree with you about Frank i hope he can save it, only time will tell. right now all i'm hoping for is no rain at Mission this weekend.And yes we do need more IHRA tracks on the west coast.

06-17-2012, 10:50 AM	#8
James L Miller Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 494 Likes: 6 Liked 25 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Pure Stocker Thread I've seen the V6 Challengers were supposed to be 3900 pounds and some change. I've seen the V6 Chargers run 15s, so I'd say the early V6 Challengers would be low 15s stock. The newer one has more power, so they would get into the 14s I would think. I have a 2009 SE, but never ran it at the track. I looked at what sort of tires would fit the rear disc brakes. It looked like I'd have to use some DOT type sticky 17s or 18s. I don't think a 16" wheel would clear the caliper, or it would be real close. __________________ Mopar 2 Ya!