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Old 11-25-2020, 01:38 PM   #1
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Torque management may look something like this... and "torque reduction vs torque vs shift" zero out this table. Also make sure your hi and lo octane timing tables match.

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Old 11-25-2020, 02:01 PM   #2
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I'll have to look into it better, but I did not see a torque reduction table for the shifts as you show here. Last week at Island I dealt with the octane tables having to match, but also had to play with the minimum spark advance table to effectively "lock out" the timing to a total of 29 degrees. This, however is all taken out during the shifts and takes a considerable amount of time to come back in.
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:34 PM   #3
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Does the timing go to zero momentarily, when you mat it?
Some of them have that little trick, too.
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Does the timing go to zero momentarily, when you mat it?
Some of them have that little trick, too.
It's like a scavenger hunt finding all the nannys. There might be multiple tables throughout controlling the same thing and one may over ride the other. Another thing is to put some good fuel in it and log knock retard, if you see any it's probably false. Start de-sensitizing the knock sensors until it stops pulling timing for no reason.
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I'll be honest. I'm a V8, RWD guy. But what you guys are doing here is what Stock is all about!
Now, about that tire spin, what can be done to eliminate it? FWD is counter-intuitive.
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I'll be honest. I'm a V8, RWD guy. But what you guys are doing here is what Stock is all about!
Ya know, after thinking about this, what are the odds?
A washed-up, loud-mouthed old man who knows nothing about computers teams up with a fresh-faced, wise-*** kid who drives a 5.0 86 Mustang 5 speed with a Holley and they thrash out a totally STOCK, Stock Eliminator car! Wow, a STOCK car in STOCK Eliminator! What a concept! Sounds like a plot for a hit TV show.
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Ya know, after thinking about this, what are the odds?
A washed-up, loud-mouthed old man who knows nothing about computers teams up with a fresh-faced, wise-*** kid who drives a 5.0 86 Mustang 5 speed with a Holley and they thrash out a totally STOCK, Stock Eliminator car! Wow, a STOCK car in STOCK Eliminator! What a concept! Sounds like a plot for a hit TV show.
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Ya know, after thinking about this, what are the odds?
A washed-up, loud-mouthed old man who knows nothing about computers teams up with a fresh-faced, wise-*** kid who drives a 5.0 86 Mustang 5 speed with a Holley and they thrash out a totally STOCK, Stock Eliminator car! Wow, a STOCK car in STOCK Eliminator! What a concept! Sounds like a plot for a hit TV show.
LOVE this thread !
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It's like a scavenger hunt finding all the nannys. There might be multiple tables throughout controlling the same thing and one may over ride the other. Another thing is to put some good fuel in it and log knock retard, if you see any it's probably false. Start de-sensitizing the knock sensors until it stops pulling timing for no reason.
Before I messed with the minimum spark tables, it was showing a decent amount of spark retard to the point where it was putting the timing back to where it was. With the minimum spark table set to 29 degrees, as soon as you mat the gas, it goes up to 29 degrees and stays there except for the shifts with no knock retard coming up.
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Before I messed with the minimum spark tables, it was showing a decent amount of spark retard to the point where it was putting the timing back to where it was. With the minimum spark table set to 29 degrees, as soon as you mat the gas, it goes up to 29 degrees and stays there except for the shifts with no knock retard coming up.
Doug, I haven't used my HPTuners in a few years so I'm having trouble getting into the HPT tune repository. Waiting on e-mails from them on my license to see a stock file for this car, if I can get it I'll take a look to see if I can get more familiar. Good luck on an awesome project.
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