Automatic Horsepower Factoring System

[Jack McCarthy]

Automatic Help for Slugs CANNOT and WILL NOT EVER WORK... heard that from me for 4 years now eh ??

the system is flawed in that it cannot evaluate the POTENTIAL of any combination, it SIMPLY deals with data from previous runs which have TWO qualities that it CANNOT factor in... 1. the weather conditions and 2. the fact we can manipulate the data ourselves... END OF STORY.

we didnt like it when FARMER would give out horsepower at his sole descretion, and we didnt like the committees... but at least there was an intelligent (supposedly) being involved > not a bunch of skewed facts and a ten page rule that god cant understand (which can and does change without rhyme or reason).

i do not have the solution... but i KNOW the AHFS cant and wont ever work, we are just beating a dead horse !!!

jack mccarthy

and if they cant see that the indexes are so soft CHARMIN is considering them for a advertising campaign i dont know what to say... we have been GIVEN over 1/2 second of enhancements since they last RAISED the indexes... get real guys... lower them .50, trigger at 1.00 and lets race !!!!!

[Rich Biebel]

It's hard for me to say this, but I agree with Ed on that one I poured quite a few heads in my machine shop days. Mostly S.B. Chevy's and 12 cc's ain't happenin, and not "by accident" at least as far as the Chevy's are concerned.....they ain't even close to the NHRA numbers.....I poured my LT-1 before I put it together 2 years ago...guess what.....same deal! Well under the spec......

[Bruce Noland]

Dick,

Lots of performance changes by nhra and a stone wall to run into when you make the accepted changes. That's the problem.

Geeezz Jack where the devil have you been? There have been a ton of posts that you could have jumped on since your last post.

[Ron Ortiz]

Hey Bruce, all you have to do to get The Captain on here is bring up the AHFS. He really shows his emotional side.
By eliminating the trigger all you have to do is look at how quick the car in question went under. Does it need to be looked at closer and maybe inspected internally? Probably.
NHRA has added enough of stuff for individuals to run quicker than their indexes than they did in the past two years. But the indexes are not that soft, yes they are if you want to spend the big bucks to keep up with the Jonses though. Hey, did'nt they just allow more work to be allowed to heads?

BSA, my car is a '67 Belvedere wagon with a 273 ci 2bbl. The index is 15.15. Do any of you out there think that a car like that from the showroom could run a 15.15. NO, probably a 19 to 20 second might be appropiate, so by blueprinting, adding a gear and headers, beefing up the trans, getting down to minimum weight, and adding a stock lift cam, you might get to the index. If you can get a rental car or a daily driver to hit the index right off the bat, you definitley have hit upon a great combo, or it really needs HP.

You guys out there need to quit thinking about lowering the indexes, and start looking at the other end of the speed spectrum, thats where the problem exists. The slower end of cars are'nt doing any harm to the fast guys, it's the fast guys against the really fast guys.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA I need more money, please send me some, and I will lower the index

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

BSA, my car is a '67 Belvedere wagon with a 273 ci 2bbl. The index is 15.15. Do any of you out there think that a car like that from the showroom could run a 15.15. NO, probably a 19 to 20 second might be appropiate, so by blueprinting, adding a gear and headers, beefing up the trans, getting down to minimum weight, and adding a stock lift cam, you might get to the index. If you can get a rental car or a daily driver to hit the index right off the bat, you definitley have hit upon a great combo, or it really needs HP.

No i dont think that..just trying to be a little ironic...I didn't run the index for years when i started out(it was lower then ofcourse) but if someone only can get .3 under with todays standards and knowledge and been doing this for awhile it seems to me that they just wanna hang in there with as little effort as possible or have a totally wrong factored car....neither of those should be what dictate what the standards for a index should be...I agree that the stuff needs to be policed better to keep it fair for those who get hp when someone breaks the standards..BUT THIS IS to my best knowledge STILL a PERFORMANCE BASED eliminator..so the lower end should not be whats setting the standards for indexes and such! When the dial under bracket format was implemented it was to even out performance differences at the time,not to make it a bracket race!

[JIM BOUDREAU]

Well said Bsa!!!!!! Ididn't run the index when Istarted also. I watched Bobby Warrens bumber for years! Still am.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

Automatic Help for Slugs CANNOT and WILL NOT EVER WORK... heard that from me for 4 years now eh ??

the system is flawed in that it cannot evaluate the POTENTIAL of any combination, it SIMPLY deals with data from previous runs which have TWO qualities that it CANNOT factor in... 1. the weather conditions and 2. the fact we can manipulate the data ourselves... END OF STORY.

jack mccarthy

Jack,...yes and you have been wrong for 4 years. You are right about correcting all the runs it is simply retarded they dont do that. Manipulation by man sticks out like a sore thumb on a spread sheet. Random events look way different. This stuff is so simple they teach it all in high school.

[Dick Butler]

Lynn, I respectfully ask why you continually bring up the aftermarket parts ? Cars are getting faster....for many reasons.

[SS Engine Guy]

The sanctioning bodies raised the index due to low car counts or for whatever reason. However, they have not "given" us anything in the way of faster parts. All this has been an attempt to appease some people or a group of people who basically couldn't or wouldn't put in the time and money to be fast legally. Threats of legal action, lack of 1 year vacations, DQ's, etc. is what has added to this problem. I have heard all the safety concerns, the lack of available castings, blocks that won't hold up at .060 over. All this crap is what has led to the 5k stocker heads and 10k ss heads etc. Look at the clarification of the crankshaft rule recently. Look at the crossbreeding of parts, the bearing spacers, any carb # as long as the holes are the right size. And most recently any trans. Who asked for any of those things? Those that couldn't be fast using the rules that were in the joke of a rulebook. Subject to over riding or changing or amending as soon as the "right" person or customers couldn't pass tech.

Do what you will with the indexes. I still will prefer heads up anyday.

Pinks (joke) even has the common sense to look at incremental times when one of their guys runs faster than in previous rounds. Factoring isn't really all that hard at all. You just have to have the desire to factor everyone fairly.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

The sanctioning bodies raised the index due to low car counts or for whatever reason. However, they have not "given" us anything in the way of faster parts..

You dont really believe this do you? How fast would a Hemi or BBC be with all the OEM castings and stock deck heights? I doubt if any of them could run below 9 seconds. How many examples do you want(not just to pick on my BBM and BBC friends)?

I think if everyone had to run OEM intake runner sizes(the real ones), and all OEM castings, it would a much different story.