8.997 in GT/AA ? - Page 4

Smitty · 02-05-2009, 02:11 PM

That combo is probably as stout as the 454's the Camaro's and the Firebird guys are running at almost 70 hp less. 336hp on a 454 vs 327hp on the 350's (might be wrong on the 350 hp) still no comparison. 8.99 is an awesome run at altitude, hopefully he will come east to Bradenton next week and let that thing hang out and see what it really has.
If I am not mistaken the 454 carries about a 72lb disadvantage to the 350. I don't think that 72 lbs will do much to the car, he was almost 1.00 under on the first shot. That's a bad piece he has under the hood.

Tom P · 02-05-2009, 04:02 PM

8.77 daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!

I hope he brings it to a non altitude track to silence the critics.

Bill Kennedy · 02-06-2009, 12:14 PM

Smitty, you are correct on the HP on the 350.

Bryan Worner · 02-06-2009, 04:31 PM

First I want to say congrats to Frank and his crew on an outstanding run!!

How don't some of you understand this whole AHFS yet?? If horsepower is given to a combination, and that combo happens to be the record holder, that record goes back to a minimum!! So he did set the record with his run, but that record goes back to the minimum once the horsepower is assessed! He will still get his paper from NHRA stating he set the record.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99.9% sure I'm correct.

Bobby Zlatkin · 02-06-2009, 06:05 PM

Bryon,

I understand it the same way you do.

He did correctly set the record.

However, once the combo was no longer legit (weight), the record went back to the minimun.

Dave Layer · 02-06-2009, 06:40 PM

Bryon

I think your understanding was correct several years ago but has since been changed. In May of 07 I set the SS/KA record on a plus -1.40 run that resulted in 9 HP. The record is still current in the National Record Listings. One of those unpublished deals kind of like putting power on a combination at a factored track, wasn't supposed to happen. Since running at factored tracks was new to me I asked that ? when we were in Vegas last Fall. The answer was you can run as fast as you want at a factored track without triggering the AHFS. I then asked if someone was to run -2.00 under what happened the answer was NOTHING it was wide open. There is no mention of factored tracks at all under the AHFS section on NHRAcom. (that I could find).

In any event congratulations to Frank and Phil on a hell of a good pass.

Dave

Ed Fernandez · 02-06-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I believe that alt.factored tracks are still sacred cows.Anything goes.No penalty.I'd like to see what those
supercharged Mustangs would do up there.8.50 chassis certification anybody?LOL

Ed F.

That's why I posted this on page one.But I guess because I never went 1.40 under before my comments dont count.Nice run either way.
Let's see what happens the next time someone who is not as well known and or respected as the Grossi's bombs a combination.Wonder if the accolades will flow as freely?

Ed F.

Bryan Worner · 02-06-2009, 11:57 PM

Dave,

Maybe they thought Norwalk was a factored track!! Damn, I thought I was up on all this crap! I guess I'll have to ask when I tech in at Phoenix!!

We should all go to Boise in April and let'em rip!!

Lynn A McCarty · 02-07-2009, 05:10 PM

Congrats to Frank, Gary and Phil. Straight up it was one hellava run!

02-05-2009, 02:11 PM	#31
Smitty Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gibsonton, FL Posts: 267 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? That combo is probably as stout as the 454's the Camaro's and the Firebird guys are running at almost 70 hp less. 336hp on a 454 vs 327hp on the 350's (might be wrong on the 350 hp) still no comparison. 8.99 is an awesome run at altitude, hopefully he will come east to Bradenton next week and let that thing hang out and see what it really has. If I am not mistaken the 454 carries about a 72lb disadvantage to the 350. I don't think that 72 lbs will do much to the car, he was almost 1.00 under on the first shot. That's a bad piece he has under the hood. Last edited by Smitty; 02-06-2009 at 01:10 PM. Reason: corrected hp factors

02-05-2009, 04:02 PM	#32
Tom P Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 699 Likes: 29 Liked 224 Times in 90 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? 8.77 daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn! I hope he brings it to a non altitude track to silence the critics.

02-06-2009, 12:14 PM	#33
Bill Kennedy Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 305 Likes: 127 Liked 35 Times in 10 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? Smitty, you are correct on the HP on the 350. __________________ Bill Kennedy 1671 SS

02-06-2009, 04:31 PM	#34
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 802 Likes: 117 Liked 410 Times in 66 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? First I want to say congrats to Frank and his crew on an outstanding run!! How don't some of you understand this whole AHFS yet?? If horsepower is given to a combination, and that combo happens to be the record holder, that record goes back to a minimum!! So he did set the record with his run, but that record goes back to the minimum once the horsepower is assessed! He will still get his paper from NHRA stating he set the record. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99.9% sure I'm correct.

02-06-2009, 06:05 PM	#35
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? Bryon, I understand it the same way you do. He did correctly set the record. However, once the combo was no longer legit (weight), the record went back to the minimun. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

02-06-2009, 06:40 PM	#36
Dave Layer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 93 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? Bryon I think your understanding was correct several years ago but has since been changed. In May of 07 I set the SS/KA record on a plus -1.40 run that resulted in 9 HP. The record is still current in the National Record Listings. One of those unpublished deals kind of like putting power on a combination at a factored track, wasn't supposed to happen. Since running at factored tracks was new to me I asked that ? when we were in Vegas last Fall. The answer was you can run as fast as you want at a factored track without triggering the AHFS. I then asked if someone was to run -2.00 under what happened the answer was NOTHING it was wide open. There is no mention of factored tracks at all under the AHFS section on NHRAcom. (that I could find). In any event congratulations to Frank and Phil on a hell of a good pass. Dave

02-06-2009, 11:57 PM	#38
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 802 Likes: 117 Liked 410 Times in 66 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? Dave, Maybe they thought Norwalk was a factored track!! Damn, I thought I was up on all this crap! I guess I'll have to ask when I tech in at Phoenix!! We should all go to Boise in April and let'em rip!!

02-07-2009, 05:10 PM	#39
Lynn A McCarty Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Plainfield (INDY) Indiana Posts: 468 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? Congrats to Frank, Gary and Phil. Straight up it was one hellava run! __________________ Lynn A McCarty 3470 SS