'66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Bogus in what respect?I see an updated M/C,good safety move.Looks like a CSR water pump,maybe a little bogus.
It is supposedly Galen Govier certified.If so then Govier is an asshole (I don't think so) or the guy is a lying SOB.Or maybe it's just Terry blowing smoke out of his *** again.
I,ve been known to have my moments of negativity but terry you bring it to new heights.
Flame away.

Ed F.

Without going back to look at the engine picture again I remember seeing a dual master cylinder, proportioning valve,neither of which were on 66 Darts, wrong intake manifold (they sure dont look like that one), wrong air cleaner, etc. I know these cars very well....I drove one at Aqusco in 1966 before I was drafted in the Army that belonged to a friend but alas we were outrun by the Bob Banning Bounty Hunter "D" Dart each and every time....lol. And yes I know Tom Sneden who drove the Bounty Hunter very well. Im more familiar with the D Darts and early mopars than you may think and my friend also owned a 1965 Formula S 235 HP Barracuda with an automatic that he drove. And you my friend have shown that you are again....an *** !

[X-TECH MAN]

Before anyone asks my friend (car owner) was a David Wallace (we went to high school together). He was shot and killed during the time I was in the Army while he was on duty as a U.S. Park Police officer near Wash. D.C.. I dont remember what his family did with either car as I didnt get back until late 1967 and didnt get out of the Army and back home until 1969. By then I was into Z-28's and Corvettes.

[njk53]

The air cleaner doesn't look correct. The way the fuel line is routed on the inner fender panel doesn't look right. Also, it looks like it has the small rear axle assembly by the looks of the small bolt pattern on the wheels. I had a 64 1/2 Barracuda, and 2 65 Formula S cars at one time or another and as I recall, you couldn't get a ring and pinion over a 3:23 in it because the case was so small 7 1/4 I think. Does anyone know the gear ratio the D cars came with?

[Real Racer]

Originally Posted by njk53

The air cleaner doesn't look correct. The way the fuel line is routed on the inner fender panel doesn't look right. Also, it looks like it has the small rear axle assembly by the looks of the small bolt pattern on the wheels. I had a 64 1/2 Barracuda, and 2 65 Formula S cars at one time or another and as I recall, you couldn't get a ring and pinion over a 3:23 in it because the case was so small 7 1/4 I think. Does anyone know the gear ratio the D cars came with?

Chrysler offered a 3.91 for the 7.25 rear axle.
I had several 65 and 66 273 Formula S Barracuda's and installed them in every one several times.
Untill I got tired of breaking them and finally put a 8.75 from a wrecked 67 383 Dart.
Also all A bodies from 64 thru 69 had 4 inch bolt circle hubs.

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by njk53

The air cleaner doesn't look correct. The way the fuel line is routed on the inner fender panel doesn't look right. Also, it looks like it has the small rear axle assembly by the looks of the small bolt pattern on the wheels. I had a 64 1/2 Barracuda, and 2 65 Formula S cars at one time or another and as I recall, you couldn't get a ring and pinion over a 3:23 in it because the case was so small 7 1/4 I think. Does anyone know the gear ratio the D cars came with?

The D's came with an 8 3/4 and 4.86 gears.

Jim

[treessavoy]

Someone else might know the answer to this one but I thought these cars came with radio/heater deletes yet this one obviously has a heater blower motor. The master cyl is wrong, same with proportioning valve which also points to disc's on the front. Original intake was 273/235 unit bored out to fit same size as max wedge carb butterflys.

Jim

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Without going back to look at the engine picture again I remember seeing a dual master cylinder, proportioning valve,neither of which were on 66 Darts, wrong intake manifold (they sure dont look like that one), wrong air cleaner, etc. I know these cars very well....I drove one at Aqusco in 1966 before I was drafted in the Army that belonged to a friend but alas we were outrun by the Bob Banning Bounty Hunter "D" Dart each and every time....lol. And yes I know Tom Sneden who drove the Bounty Hunter very well. Im more familiar with the D Darts and early mopars than you may think and my friend also owned a 1965 Formula S 235 HP Barracuda with an automatic that he drove. And you my friend have shown that you are again....an *** !

So I guess Govier is an asshole for accrediting this car.And I guess the owner is a lying SOB.And I guess I'm an *** too for missing some of the other fine points of this car.I'm a bad boy and I'm going to my room now.


Ed F.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Without going back to look at the engine picture again I remember seeing a dual master cylinder, proportioning valve,neither of which were on 66 Darts, wrong intake manifold (they sure dont look like that one), wrong air cleaner, etc. I know these cars very well....I drove one at Aqusco in 1966 before I was drafted in the Army that belonged to a friend but alas we were outrun by the Bob Banning Bounty Hunter "D" Dart each and every time....lol. And yes I know Tom Sneden who drove the Bounty Hunter very well. Im more familiar with the D Darts and early mopars than you may think and my friend also owned a 1965 Formula S 235 HP Barracuda with an automatic that he drove. And you my friend have shown that you are again....an *** !

The Dart that was auctioned use to belong to a guy who lives in Florida, He actually owned two, the one you see on this thread and the old Ted Sphere D/Dart. Here's a link to a site that he frequents. He knows the history of the car depicted here. Apparently from what he told me he sold the car to the guy with the original engine on a pallet. He kept some parts for his other D dart. If I can remember correctly he made the mods you see on the car, M/C, water pump etc. to drive the car on the street. He's pretty knowledgeable about these cars. I'm not sure if he or the current owner had GG inspect the car. The guy who bought this car probably had plans to flip it and make some bucks. I'll bet the reserve was way more than the 40K. I think it was last month the guy from Florida said the car was going to be auctioned. Anyway, here's the site.


OK X Tech Bite me...... You're an expert allright.In sticking your foot in your mouth.

[X-TECH MAN]

I never said it was not a "D" Dart. It is a very poor restoration with a lot of miss matched parts. Originality is what makes a restoration worth money along with history documentation. Yes the D darts had the 8.75 rear with 4.86 gears. That was a problem that the "Golden Cammandos" had when racing thier 273235 HP Barracuda with a 4-speed. NHRA would not allow the 8.75 rear they tried to run and the smaller rear broke a lot. They ended up running AHRA as that association body allowed the larger rear. They later ran Modified Production in NHRA to be able to use the larger rear. The car I drove (for 4 weekends) only ran high 13's because the engine was never taken apart $$$$$ and blueprinted. We drove to the track in those days. We couldnt afford a trailer AND a tow car. We were young, poor, and didnt know all that much about all of it back then. Guys like Tom Sneden of the Bounty Hunters were good people and never looked down on guys like us who wanted to learn.

[treessavoy]

Guys,

Galen only certified that the car was a factory built D/Dart.....nothing else. Any changes or modifications done to the car are not his concern. He is not a judge who would have noticed these changes, all he does is verify the cars authenticity.

Jim