'66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction - Page 17

Paul Ceasrine · 12-23-2009, 05:49 AM

Bill,
If I did my math correctly, doesn't 4-head bolts x (2) Vortechs = BOOM!!
Paul

bill dedman · 12-24-2009, 12:05 AM

Probably....

We may find out........ LOL!

That's one way to get rid of this P.O.S. time-bomb short block...

Paul Ceasrine · 12-24-2009, 07:22 AM

Bill,
If you want a wild holeshot ride, I can go back to my fathers old machine shop and go in the basement, and pull out the de-stroked 340,
305 engine with 12.5 - 1 Arias pistons, and Kenyon-prepped heads.
Now, that would be one wild launch in that A-Body. Unfortunately, the Vortechs will not be "Required Components", unless you like
molten pistons

Paul

Paul Ceasrine · 12-25-2009, 07:22 AM

Alan,
if you check out the "Mods for Mopar 273" article, Feb 66' Hot Rod,
with Tom Hoover and Mike Buckle (of the Ramchargers), you can see the first free-breathing intake manifold. A standard 273 cast iron intake, with the carburetor butterfly openings cut-out to 1 11/16" (primary and secondary) for the first Holley carb to be mounted on the intake, during
the early stages of the D-Dart. The first carb used was a 4160 #3116
600 cfm, off the 65' Race Hemi's.
Paul

bill dedman · 12-26-2009, 05:12 PM

Paul,

Billy Nees gets his satifaction from turning an 18-second street slug into a 14-second race car, utilizing only class-legal methods. I think I must get the same kind of satisfaction out of seeing how much horsepower I can wring out of this (almost) stock, OEM shortblock (cam change, only) with a superchagrer and a 750 Holley, without damaging the engine.

I think I'm already walking a VERY thin line, now, and any more positive additiions to the B.M.E.P will likely push her over the edge....

Guess I'll work on the chassis for a while and try to take some weight off the front of the car.

I need this thing to hook up... Workin' on that.

Paul Ceasrine · 12-27-2009, 06:48 AM

Bill,
Are you going 'Old-School' on the front-end lightening?
You know; 6-cylinder torsion bars, V-100 shocks, truck-mounted battery,
drum brakes, remove the sway (anti-roll) bar.
Or modified 'Old-School', plastic front bumper support brackets

Now who would do that? Wouldn't that be cheating in Stock Eliminator

Paul

ddartdude · 12-27-2009, 05:19 PM

Paul,
I have first dibbs on the destrokes 340........................

The intake in that article was developed during the 65 race season. The carb adapters that are on the D/Dart engines were machined in house. You can see along the sides that they were cut out on a band saw.

Got a question on Kenyon. As advertised on the front fender of "The Politician" the heads on the car were from Kenyon. Who was Kenyon and where were they located? I was in grade school in the Cleveland area when the D/Darts were produce so I'm sort of lost here.

Alan

bill dedman · 12-27-2009, 05:34 PM

It doesn't matter because I'm not running this car in any class-legal configuration; Brackets, only.

Insofar as what I'v done, it's minimal. at best:

Things already done:

90-10 shocks in front / 50/50 shocks in back
it never had a sway (anti-roll) bar
The K-H, 4-piston caliper, disk-brakes are going to be retained
The 340 torsion bars will remain, for the moment (318 4-drs with A-C had 340 bars)
Spring clamps on the forward portion of the leaf springs
Air Bag on right rear spring for pre-load
Auburn limited-slip
4-degree pinion wedge for proper rear u-joint angle
removed the OEM, spring clamps for leaf separation on acceleration
2 BIG batteries in trunk, on right side, in the rear portion
A-C compressor, condenser, and lines removed; evaporator remains, for the moment
Adjustable pinion snubber

For next season:
fiberglass front bumper and hood (pin-on)
Replace heavy-*** carpet with light, no sound-deadener, carpet.
lightweight front bumper brackete
replace heavy-*** bench seat with one (1) D-100 (cargo van) bucket
install driveshaft loop
install 4.10 center section (3.55 has been in there, until now
install 9" X 28" M-T bias-ply slicks on new, 7"-wide, 28"-tall, Ansen Sprints
Hopefully, all that will improve the 60-footers .3..... (from 1.81, prior)

Talk's cheap; we'll see...

bill dedman · 12-27-2009, 05:40 PM

post deleted; duplication.... sorry.

Paul Ceasrine · 12-28-2009, 06:26 AM

Alan,
Kenyon Cylinder Heads
Fred Kenyon was the hot cylinder head guy for awhile in the mid-late 60's, and early 70's.. Trick-blending on the valve seat area, and flow improvements for the ports. Then RHS 'Racing Head Service' came into play, and kind of stole his thunder.
Kenyon Machine, still in business in San Diego. Alot of West Coast
Stockers and S/S guys used them. His cylinder heads were the hot ticket for 67'/68'.
I noticed in Mopar 273 article that one of the intakes (dual-quad) cut out the center section of the primary and secondary openings, and left the thin center-divider between the sections, shaped like the letter 'B' faced back-to-back. That's the way we cut-out our manifold, at first.
Paul

12-23-2009, 05:49 AM	#161
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Bill, If I did my math correctly, doesn't 4-head bolts x (2) Vortechs = BOOM!! Paul

12-24-2009, 12:05 AM	#162
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Probably.... We may find out........ LOL! That's one way to get rid of this P.O.S. time-bomb short block... __________________ Bill

12-24-2009, 07:22 AM	#163
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Bill, If you want a wild holeshot ride, I can go back to my fathers old machine shop and go in the basement, and pull out the de-stroked 340, 305 engine with 12.5 - 1 Arias pistons, and Kenyon-prepped heads. Now, that would be one wild launch in that A-Body. Unfortunately, the Vortechs will not be "Required Components", unless you like molten pistons Paul

12-25-2009, 07:22 AM	#164
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Alan, if you check out the "Mods for Mopar 273" article, Feb 66' Hot Rod, with Tom Hoover and Mike Buckle (of the Ramchargers), you can see the first free-breathing intake manifold. A standard 273 cast iron intake, with the carburetor butterfly openings cut-out to 1 11/16" (primary and secondary) for the first Holley carb to be mounted on the intake, during the early stages of the D-Dart. The first carb used was a 4160 #3116 600 cfm, off the 65' Race Hemi's. Paul

12-26-2009, 05:12 PM	#165
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Paul, Billy Nees gets his satifaction from turning an 18-second street slug into a 14-second race car, utilizing only class-legal methods. I think I must get the same kind of satisfaction out of seeing how much horsepower I can wring out of this (almost) stock, OEM shortblock (cam change, only) with a superchagrer and a 750 Holley, without damaging the engine. I think I'm already walking a VERY thin line, now, and any more positive additiions to the B.M.E.P will likely push her over the edge.... Guess I'll work on the chassis for a while and try to take some weight off the front of the car. I need this thing to hook up... Workin' on that. __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 12-26-2009 at 05:15 PM.

12-27-2009, 06:48 AM	#166
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Bill, Are you going 'Old-School' on the front-end lightening? You know; 6-cylinder torsion bars, V-100 shocks, truck-mounted battery, drum brakes, remove the sway (anti-roll) bar. Or modified 'Old-School', plastic front bumper support brackets Now who would do that? Wouldn't that be cheating in Stock Eliminator Paul

12-27-2009, 05:19 PM	#167
ddartdude Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida Posts: 57 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Paul, I have first dibbs on the destrokes 340........................ The intake in that article was developed during the 65 race season. The carb adapters that are on the D/Dart engines were machined in house. You can see along the sides that they were cut out on a band saw. Got a question on Kenyon. As advertised on the front fender of "The Politician" the heads on the car were from Kenyon. Who was Kenyon and where were they located? I was in grade school in the Cleveland area when the D/Darts were produce so I'm sort of lost here. Alan

12-27-2009, 05:34 PM	#168
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction It doesn't matter because I'm not running this car in any class-legal configuration; Brackets, only. Insofar as what I'v done, it's minimal. at best: Things already done: 90-10 shocks in front / 50/50 shocks in back it never had a sway (anti-roll) bar The K-H, 4-piston caliper, disk-brakes are going to be retained The 340 torsion bars will remain, for the moment (318 4-drs with A-C had 340 bars) Spring clamps on the forward portion of the leaf springs Air Bag on right rear spring for pre-load Auburn limited-slip 4-degree pinion wedge for proper rear u-joint angle removed the OEM, spring clamps for leaf separation on acceleration 2 BIG batteries in trunk, on right side, in the rear portion A-C compressor, condenser, and lines removed; evaporator remains, for the moment Adjustable pinion snubber For next season: fiberglass front bumper and hood (pin-on) Replace heavy-* carpet with light, no sound-deadener, carpet. lightweight front bumper brackete replace heavy-* bench seat with one (1) D-100 (cargo van) bucket install driveshaft loop install 4.10 center section (3.55 has been in there, until now install 9" X 28" M-T bias-ply slicks on new, 7"-wide, 28"-tall, Ansen Sprints Hopefully, all that will improve the 60-footers .3..... (from 1.81, prior) Talk's cheap; we'll see... __________________ Bill

12-27-2009, 05:40 PM	#169
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction post deleted; duplication.... sorry. __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 12-30-2009 at 01:10 AM.

12-28-2009, 06:26 AM	#170
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Alan, Kenyon Cylinder Heads Fred Kenyon was the hot cylinder head guy for awhile in the mid-late 60's, and early 70's.. Trick-blending on the valve seat area, and flow improvements for the ports. Then RHS 'Racing Head Service' came into play, and kind of stole his thunder. Kenyon Machine, still in business in San Diego. Alot of West Coast Stockers and S/S guys used them. His cylinder heads were the hot ticket for 67'/68'. I noticed in Mopar 273 article that one of the intakes (dual-quad) cut out the center section of the primary and secondary openings, and left the thin center-divider between the sections, shaped like the letter 'B' faced back-to-back. That's the way we cut-out our manifold, at first. Paul