'66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction - Page 20

ddartdude · 01-13-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Alan,
Thanks. I'll have to search for that bulletin.. Your Dart "The Politician", did that have 6-leaf springs in it (Heavy-duty towing package) or modified 65' Super Stock springs.
As for cooling improvement bulletins. Besides the fluid fan drive unit, I think (memory jog) there was a recommendation for a station wagon
H.D. radiator, a fan mount-spacer kit (moves the fan 1" closer to the radiator), and deep grooved pulleys.
Hurst Model #'s started out as DP-FX-65 which were used on the 67'
RO/WO factory Hemi Super Stock cars. But these units were not shipped with the D-Darts. Still searching for the correct DP# unit.
Paul

Paul,
In the SS&DI article on my car, it said that Ted was running 7 leaves on the right side. The rear spring number on the D/Dart broadcast sheet is 804. I think the entire P/N is 2403804. When I had both D/Darts, I had Eaton make a set of new springs for the Mecum Auction car. Kept the originals just in case I want to restore "The Politician" to as delivered condition. It currently has a set of the original SS springs on it -- P/N 3412002-3. No "P" in front of the number. They also have an "X" number on them. I believe they were on the car when Jon Rasbach and Tom Flynn bought it from Ted.
Alan

Paul Ceasrine · 01-14-2010, 03:07 AM

Alan,
Ted's car did sit nicely. Especially in some of the photos with the tall front tires, to improve off-line roll-out.
Have been to some Mopar events, and see some guys claim they have a D-Dart, or a 273 Commando G. Look underneath, and see a 4 1/2 band leaf-spring unit.
Paul

Paul Ceasrine · 01-17-2010, 09:42 AM

I think the D-Dart thread can be extinguished now.
Last bit of info for you D-Dart historians.
The 273/275HP car came through with a factory modified dual-point
distributor. No vacuum advance and centrigugal advance re-calibrated.
PC

D.Holly · 01-17-2010, 06:39 PM

Amen!!!!

Paul Ceasrine · 07-26-2010, 05:47 PM

ddartdude,
I cannot find info on factory testing for the 66' D-Dart.
Only estimated calculations.
And the famous Car Craft test.
PC

ddartdude · 07-26-2010, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

ddartdude,
I cannot find info on factory testing for the 66' D-Dart.
Only estimated calculations.
And the famous Car Craft test.
PC

Thanks Paul,

Since it was a Chrysler drag racing program, and Ted Spehar had a car campaigning in the class, you'd figure more stuff would be out there on the car. Ted's car was featured in the May 1967 issue of SS&DI. It does have some performance numbers in the article. I have copies of about a dozen time slips to validate the times. I was able to get them from Ralph Costa, the driver of the car. He actually gave me about 6 of the actual slips with Teds notes on them.

According to Ted, he doesn't have anything, documentation, on the car.

Alan

Paul Ceasrine · 07-27-2010, 10:15 AM

Alan,
I do believe the times Ted posted with the D-Dart.
It was a properly prepped and set-up car, unlike many of the other
D-Dart cars, which were more-or-less, Buy-n-Run-n-Gun cars.

Low 13.00's seems reachable, when you consider several F/Stock
273/235HP 65' Cuda's were running 13.60's in late 1965, and in
G/Stock in 1966. (The Golden Commando's F/S 'Goldfish' , 1965
Nationals F/S class winner 13.44 @ 103.68, and Doug Pattersons
'Brand X' F/SA Stock Eliminator Runner-Up at the 65' Springnationals.)
With the bigger lift camshaft, heavier valve springs, and Holley #4160 700 cfm
carburetor, the Dart surely would be at least a .50 quicker.
Hard to figure out the lack of performance documentation on the
D-Dart.
Info on the 273/235HP Commando engine is all over the place.
ranging from 15.80's to 17.60's.
PC

Paul Ceasrine · 07-28-2010, 11:30 AM

That D-Dart that got classed into L/SA in 1970 (12.50-12.99 wt/hp).
1) Simple, obviously he pulled the 4-speed and put in an automatic.
2) He pulled off the Holley 700 cfm carburetor, and put on a 273/235HP
Carter 500 cfm AFB.
* He must have claimed a 273/235HP engine.
* No way you could tell the difference, unless you measured the camshaft
lift, or checked valve spring pressure.
PC

Paul Ceasrine · 08-15-2011, 05:25 PM

Not a 1966 D-Dart,,,,,,,,,,,but a 1965 in D/MP,,

Paul Ceasrine · 08-15-2011, 05:28 PM

Look at these parts,,,,,,,,,did we forget something,,,???

01-14-2010, 03:07 AM	#192
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Alan, Ted's car did sit nicely. Especially in some of the photos with the tall front tires, to improve off-line roll-out. Have been to some Mopar events, and see some guys claim they have a D-Dart, or a 273 Commando G. Look underneath, and see a 4 1/2 band leaf-spring unit. Paul

01-17-2010, 09:42 AM	#193
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction I think the D-Dart thread can be extinguished now. Last bit of info for you D-Dart historians. The 273/275HP car came through with a factory modified dual-point distributor. No vacuum advance and centrigugal advance re-calibrated. PC

01-17-2010, 06:39 PM	#194
D.Holly Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mid Michigan Posts: 149 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Amen!!!!

07-26-2010, 05:47 PM	#195
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction ddartdude, I cannot find info on factory testing for the 66' D-Dart. Only estimated calculations. And the famous Car Craft test. PC

07-27-2010, 10:15 AM	#197
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Alan, I do believe the times Ted posted with the D-Dart. It was a properly prepped and set-up car, unlike many of the other D-Dart cars, which were more-or-less, Buy-n-Run-n-Gun cars. Low 13.00's seems reachable, when you consider several F/Stock 273/235HP 65' Cuda's were running 13.60's in late 1965, and in G/Stock in 1966. (The Golden Commando's F/S 'Goldfish' , 1965 Nationals F/S class winner 13.44 @ 103.68, and Doug Pattersons 'Brand X' F/SA Stock Eliminator Runner-Up at the 65' Springnationals.) With the bigger lift camshaft, heavier valve springs, and Holley #4160 700 cfm carburetor, the Dart surely would be at least a .50 quicker. Hard to figure out the lack of performance documentation on the D-Dart. Info on the 273/235HP Commando engine is all over the place. ranging from 15.80's to 17.60's. PC Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 07-27-2010 at 12:18 PM.

07-28-2010, 11:30 AM	#198
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction That D-Dart that got classed into L/SA in 1970 (12.50-12.99 wt/hp). 1) Simple, obviously he pulled the 4-speed and put in an automatic. 2) He pulled off the Holley 700 cfm carburetor, and put on a 273/235HP Carter 500 cfm AFB. * He must have claimed a 273/235HP engine. * No way you could tell the difference, unless you measured the camshaft lift, or checked valve spring pressure. PC

08-15-2011, 05:25 PM	#199
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Not a 1966 D-Dart,,,,,,,,,,,but a 1965 in D/MP,,

08-15-2011, 05:28 PM	#200
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '66 Dodge D-Dart at Mecum auction Look at these parts,,,,,,,,,did we forget something,,,???