Original hemi dart information

flintstonecharger · 03-25-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

WJ or Flinstone,
Any info on a Joseph Patrelli or Petrelli.
Out of Springfield, Mass. Got one of the original 68' Hemi
Darts. SS/BA. Was lettered with 'Deb's Automotive' on the
front fender. Not a nice lettering job.
May have ended up in northeastern Mass, in 69'/70', as a
C/Gas car?
Paul

Hello Paul,only unconfirmed info I have on car was maybe Joe Patel?,Hamden Dodge,may have photo,will have to do some digging.Can ask my uncle Gene and Chick Brignola if they remember car.I thought Mark Janeky had some info on that Dart?? Orange Dragway reunion Sept. 11,saw on there site recently.Dickie Levereault had new a990 dodge I believe came from Hamden Dodge,eventually turned into altered wheelbase car called Tom Terriffic,sponsored by Big Daddy's Speed Shop,No. Grafton,Mass.Nice pic. of car in Steve Magnante's new book How to Build Altered Wheelbase Cars,just got book today,real good stuff,Maybe Dickie knew the guy with the Dart??Later, SteveO

W J · 03-25-2010, 07:24 PM

Paul, In my Ralph Ridgeway thread, Ralph left his email addy in his post....I'll bet if you contact him, he'd love to share some of his wealth of info related to this time frame we're speaking of......it was amidst the height of his racing career as well....Regards...WJ

Paul Ceasrine · 03-25-2010, 07:39 PM

Steve O. & WJ
Thanks for the help. I'm kind of re-visiting this lost Dart.
Here's what I've got. Hampden Dodge, 648 State Street, Springfield.
Can't locate a (Hamden Dodge). Car definitely had 'Debs' Automotive'
lettering. Can't define the name, some say Joe Patel, others think
Patrelli or Petrelli. Maybe Ralph Ridgeway would know??
Was at Orange Dragstrip, and probably Milton, VT, and most likely
Connecticut. Never saw that cat at Dover.
If he was with the 'Deb's' crew, probably made a few visits across the
north border into Canada.
An SS/BA car. Found info, of 11.20's and winning in S/S Eliminator.
Not a low E.T. , but Bill Stiles set the first SS/BA ET at 11.06 in
July 68, at Island Dragway, New Jersey. Probably with both feet on the brake-pedal!!
The Dart is probably sitting behind someones garage in northern Mass.,
surrounded by weeds and other junked cars. OH, THE HORROR!!
Paul

W J · 03-25-2010, 08:03 PM

Paul, email Ralph.....He said he'd share info on his equipment and his era....and like I said, Steve O'Neill, although was just a "pup",when it was the heyday of running these cars

, has big knowledge of these pieces, along w/his Uncle Gene ( who actually owned and raced the stuff.....) WJ

HEMIDARTDAVE · 03-27-2010, 03:03 PM

A friend of mine knew Joe Patel well back in the day, and shared some info today. He actually was given the original dealership ordering paperwork by Joe years ago, still has it somewhere, and had the cars original AT trans until a few years ago. He thought the Dart was painted a dark color, brown or maroon. He had a chance to buy it for $2200 back @ 1972. It was sitting, minus engine/trans, fairly cut up, behind Deb's shop in the snow. My friend passed on it and thought the car went to Michigan @ '72-'73, and has not heard about it since.

Paul Ceasrine · 03-27-2010, 04:33 PM

HEMIDARTDAVE,
Thanks for info. Anything helps, while searching for this lost Dart.
My black & white photo, can't distinguish color, only that it is dark.
"Deb's Automotive" best reference point.
'Hampden Dodge',,southeastern part of Springfield, Mass.
Won at Orange Dragstrip, August/Sept 68'. Heard it went C/G or
something like that in 69'/70'. Then POOF!
Paul,,,

HEMIDARTDAVE · 03-27-2010, 07:10 PM

Paul,
Is there any chance you would post or email me a copy of that pic?
Thanks, Dave

Paul Ceasrine · 03-31-2010, 05:06 AM

OILY-OLLIE,
Hampden Dodge in Springfield, Mass. (Hampden County).
Not the Hamptons, L.I...
Not sure if it was a Hampden Dodge only co-sponsorship, or
Hampden County Dodge Dealers Assn. deal.
Hampden County had about 15 dealers, plus an additional 3 or 4
on the outer perimeter area.
You could be correct, with 20 dealers involved??
No 68' Hemi cars were represented in Western, Mass., other than
Hampden.
PC

03-25-2010, 07:24 PM	#2
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Paul, In my Ralph Ridgeway thread, Ralph left his email addy in his post....I'll bet if you contact him, he'd love to share some of his wealth of info related to this time frame we're speaking of......it was amidst the height of his racing career as well....Regards...WJ

03-25-2010, 07:39 PM	#3
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Steve O. & WJ Thanks for the help. I'm kind of re-visiting this lost Dart. Here's what I've got. Hampden Dodge, 648 State Street, Springfield. Can't locate a (Hamden Dodge). Car definitely had 'Debs' Automotive' lettering. Can't define the name, some say Joe Patel, others think Patrelli or Petrelli. Maybe Ralph Ridgeway would know?? Was at Orange Dragstrip, and probably Milton, VT, and most likely Connecticut. Never saw that cat at Dover. If he was with the 'Deb's' crew, probably made a few visits across the north border into Canada. An SS/BA car. Found info, of 11.20's and winning in S/S Eliminator. Not a low E.T. , but Bill Stiles set the first SS/BA ET at 11.06 in July 68, at Island Dragway, New Jersey. Probably with both feet on the brake-pedal!! The Dart is probably sitting behind someones garage in northern Mass., surrounded by weeds and other junked cars. OH, THE HORROR!! Paul

03-25-2010, 08:03 PM	#4
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Paul, email Ralph.....He said he'd share info on his equipment and his era....and like I said, Steve O'Neill, although was just a "pup",when it was the heyday of running these cars , has big knowledge of these pieces, along w/his Uncle Gene ( who actually owned and raced the stuff.....) WJ Last edited by W J; 03-25-2010 at 08:18 PM. Reason: add content...

03-27-2010, 03:03 PM	#5
HEMIDARTDAVE Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 260 Likes: 5 Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information A friend of mine knew Joe Patel well back in the day, and shared some info today. He actually was given the original dealership ordering paperwork by Joe years ago, still has it somewhere, and had the cars original AT trans until a few years ago. He thought the Dart was painted a dark color, brown or maroon. He had a chance to buy it for $2200 back @ 1972. It was sitting, minus engine/trans, fairly cut up, behind Deb's shop in the snow. My friend passed on it and thought the car went to Michigan @ '72-'73, and has not heard about it since.

03-27-2010, 04:33 PM	#6
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information HEMIDARTDAVE, Thanks for info. Anything helps, while searching for this lost Dart. My black & white photo, can't distinguish color, only that it is dark. "Deb's Automotive" best reference point. 'Hampden Dodge',,southeastern part of Springfield, Mass. Won at Orange Dragstrip, August/Sept 68'. Heard it went C/G or something like that in 69'/70'. Then POOF! Paul,,,

03-27-2010, 07:10 PM	#7
HEMIDARTDAVE Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 260 Likes: 5 Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Paul, Is there any chance you would post or email me a copy of that pic? Thanks, Dave

03-31-2010, 05:06 AM	#8
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information OILY-OLLIE, Hampden Dodge in Springfield, Mass. (Hampden County). Not the Hamptons, L.I... Not sure if it was a Hampden Dodge only co-sponsorship, or Hampden County Dodge Dealers Assn. deal. Hampden County had about 15 dealers, plus an additional 3 or 4 on the outer perimeter area. You could be correct, with 20 dealers involved?? No 68' Hemi cars were represented in Western, Mass., other than Hampden. PC