Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken

davezinn · 06-18-2011, 02:23 PM

i thought that S&M had two Superbirds that they ran in different classes? i thought there was one with the 440/6-pack and another one with a Hemi and a rat roaster intake manifold.

Topper · 06-18-2011, 06:04 PM

Nope, just one. I've been told they just swap motors/hoods for different classes. Would like solid confirmation in the way of Vin #'s, pics, etc. So far, there's no pics of 2 birds, Ronnie Sox had said there was only one, and those that raced them said there was only one.

davezinn · 06-18-2011, 08:04 PM

there is a picture in the Hemi Dart thread of the Sox&Martin shop that shows two Superbirds in the pic. one is clearly shown while the other is in the background and mostly just the roof and wing are visible.

i don't think it was as simple as swapping hoods and engine combo's, i still firmly believe that there were two different cars and there are enough differences between the two in old pics to support that.

Hemi Moose · 06-18-2011, 08:34 PM

Notice the difference in the Wing Angle, some people say that car in the background is a 69 Daytona... Also notice on the bench there is a couple of cross-rams or tunnel ram intakes being prepped. Anyone care to comment on exactly which it is, my guess is with the Superbird having a flat hood they're the cross-ram intakes

Topper · 06-19-2011, 01:00 PM

S&M worked on cars for other folks. That was the case with the Daytona (Chuck Neely's) in the corner and the baracuda next to the sox bird.

Dave Siltman · 06-27-2011, 07:36 PM

Hey guys, Jack Werst's car was originally a Petty car that Chrysler re-routed. It was built (new) as a stick and later converted to auto. It was originally blue. There are quite a few "hidden" tricks that MANY people never knew and might not believe. The wheelbase was changed and remains so now. The "cheater" motor Chrysler built to beat Ray Allen was immediately removed and sent back to Chrysler after the race that never was. Werst red-lighted on purpose so the car could not be torn down. The sail panels were filled with balast. The engine was set back. All kinds of TRICKERY. Werst sold the car to some racers in Maryland and they raced it for a short time under the name "Enginuity". Ken Jennings drove and after a very limited campaign, the car went into loooooooong storage and was found within the last couple of years. It was sold by Jenning's family to a fellow I know, changed hands again, and is now in a private collection. The car is in as-raced condition with a Hemi and automatic, but the original numbered four speed is with the car. The car still wears some of the " Mister 5-50" paint and all of the "Enginuity" lettering and "lace". The interior is un-touched. I seem to remember the odometer read 1400 miles. I was in the car and drove it in the driveway of the owner that bought it from the Jennings family and sold it to the current owner. I spoke to Jack Werst at the York re-union and he was astounded that I knew so much about this car and verified what I know to be true. What a car!!!!!

Hemi Moose · 06-28-2011, 06:55 PM

Jack Wersts Mr. 5 & 50 1970 Hemi Superbird:

bluegrassx · 12-18-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemi Moose

Notice the difference in the Wing Angle, some people say that car in the background is a 69 Daytona... Also notice on the bench there is a couple of cross-rams or tunnel ram intakes being prepped. Anyone care to comment on exactly which it is, my guess is with the Superbird having a flat hood they're the cross-ram intakes

I would say it is a Rat Roaster intake that would be used on the Superbird which was the intake also used on the Challenger & Cuda SS/D SS/DA cars

bluegrassx · 12-18-2011, 03:24 PM

I remember a multi colored Superbird running SS at Columbus, OH once during one of the National Dragster events they held there

Hemi Moose · 12-18-2011, 03:30 PM

Good point about the rat roadster...but after looking at the photo again, I see the one on top of the cart is what look's like to be a medium rise tunnel ram, and the one below is a cross ram intake...but your probably right about them using the rat roadster intake in super stock, they started using the tunnel rams in the early 70's everyone was using them by then in pro stock.

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06-18-2011, 02:23 PM	#1
davezinn Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 42 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken i thought that S&M had two Superbirds that they ran in different classes? i thought there was one with the 440/6-pack and another one with a Hemi and a rat roaster intake manifold.

06-18-2011, 06:04 PM	#2
Topper Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Memphis, Tn Posts: 16 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken Nope, just one. I've been told they just swap motors/hoods for different classes. Would like solid confirmation in the way of Vin #'s, pics, etc. So far, there's no pics of 2 birds, Ronnie Sox had said there was only one, and those that raced them said there was only one. __________________ _______________ 72 Charger Topper

06-18-2011, 08:04 PM	#3
davezinn Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 42 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken there is a picture in the Hemi Dart thread of the Sox&Martin shop that shows two Superbirds in the pic. one is clearly shown while the other is in the background and mostly just the roof and wing are visible. i don't think it was as simple as swapping hoods and engine combo's, i still firmly believe that there were two different cars and there are enough differences between the two in old pics to support that.

06-18-2011, 08:34 PM	#4
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken Notice the difference in the Wing Angle, some people say that car in the background is a 69 Daytona... Also notice on the bench there is a couple of cross-rams or tunnel ram intakes being prepped. Anyone care to comment on exactly which it is, my guess is with the Superbird having a flat hood they're the cross-ram intakes Last edited by Hemi Moose; 06-18-2011 at 08:44 PM.

06-19-2011, 01:00 PM	#5
Topper Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Memphis, Tn Posts: 16 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken S&M worked on cars for other folks. That was the case with the Daytona (Chuck Neely's) in the corner and the baracuda next to the sox bird. __________________ _______________ 72 Charger Topper

06-27-2011, 07:36 PM	#6
Dave Siltman Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 72 Likes: 232 Liked 68 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken Hey guys, Jack Werst's car was originally a Petty car that Chrysler re-routed. It was built (new) as a stick and later converted to auto. It was originally blue. There are quite a few "hidden" tricks that MANY people never knew and might not believe. The wheelbase was changed and remains so now. The "cheater" motor Chrysler built to beat Ray Allen was immediately removed and sent back to Chrysler after the race that never was. Werst red-lighted on purpose so the car could not be torn down. The sail panels were filled with balast. The engine was set back. All kinds of TRICKERY. Werst sold the car to some racers in Maryland and they raced it for a short time under the name "Enginuity". Ken Jennings drove and after a very limited campaign, the car went into loooooooong storage and was found within the last couple of years. It was sold by Jenning's family to a fellow I know, changed hands again, and is now in a private collection. The car is in as-raced condition with a Hemi and automatic, but the original numbered four speed is with the car. The car still wears some of the " Mister 5-50" paint and all of the "Enginuity" lettering and "lace". The interior is un-touched. I seem to remember the odometer read 1400 miles. I was in the car and drove it in the driveway of the owner that bought it from the Jennings family and sold it to the current owner. I spoke to Jack Werst at the York re-union and he was astounded that I knew so much about this car and verified what I know to be true. What a car!!!!!

06-28-2011, 06:55 PM	#7
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken Jack Wersts Mr. 5 & 50 1970 Hemi Superbird:

12-18-2011, 03:24 PM	#9
bluegrassx Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 68 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken I remember a multi colored Superbird running SS at Columbus, OH once during one of the National Dragster events they held there

12-18-2011, 03:30 PM	#10
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Sox & Martin Superbird aka SuperChicken Good point about the rat roadster...but after looking at the photo again, I see the one on top of the cart is what look's like to be a medium rise tunnel ram, and the one below is a cross ram intake...but your probably right about them using the rat roadster intake in super stock, they started using the tunnel rams in the early 70's everyone was using them by then in pro stock. . Last edited by Hemi Moose; 12-18-2011 at 03:32 PM.