Original hemi dart information

MEMORIES · 08-06-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bluegrassx

And after.....

Here's a video I posted on Youtube a while back. It has some of the big names in the Southeast from 1968. Robert Nance's Baracuda makes a couple of appearances. The "Liberty Motors" Dart is on here too.

Bluegrassx, where did the Baracuda you had end up?

Wayne.

68hemiss · 08-07-2011, 10:18 AM

Paul/Daryl,
I don't think that Bill Flynn would have gotten 2 new Darts. But Maxwell/Koeffel seemed to to facilitate the purchase of a Hemi Dart/Cuda when they knew the racer/owner was changing class/building a new car - Paul, I think we discussed this on the phone a while back. Bill may have gotten a second car in late 68/early 69? This is only a theory but - stranger things have happened. Paul, what does the lettering say on the door (under the window) of the dealership pic? Usually when racers had 2 cars they also had a second driver. Daryl, about the more famous racers getting early cars - yes but no, The run of cars just before and after yours were not "name' racers.
Mark J

MEMORIES · 08-07-2011, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68hemiss

What does the lettering say on the door (under the window) of the dealership pic? Mark J

I was wondering what it said too. I zoomed in and the best I can make out is: "Spokeman", although there seems to be a gap before the word "man" but "man" isn't capitalized.

Wayne.

Liteweight · 08-07-2011, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68hemiss

Paul/Daryl,
I don't think that Bill Flynn would have gotten 2 new Darts. But Maxwell/Koeffel seemed to to facilitate the purchase of a Hemi Dart/Cuda when they knew the racer/owner was changing class/building a new car - Paul, I think we discussed this on the phone a while back. Bill may have gotten a second car in late 68/early 69? This is only a theory but - stranger things have happened. Paul, what does the lettering say on the door (under the window) of the dealership pic? Usually when racers had 2 cars they also had a second driver. Daryl, about the more famous racers getting early cars - yes but no, The run of cars just before and after yours were not "name' racers.
Mark J

hemitime
Good eyes my friend. I missed that. So the car in that photo could very well be the current stick Peddler car. WE NEED MORE PICTURES ON THIS. Did Flynn campaign another earlier car as an auto??
Mark, I somewhat agree with you xept for one car. The Landy stick car is only 2 Vin's earlier than my current car.
What I don't understand is if Dick ordered both his cars at the same time, why are the Vin's on those 2 so far apart?

liteweight

68hemiss · 08-08-2011, 06:59 PM

Daryl,
The question I have is when were the S/O numbers assigned to the cars? Remember Chrysler was originally building 50 of each with or without pre-paid sales. This is a little different than typical production cars. I am guessing that the order was put in by the factory - cars were run down the factory production line adding and deleting what parts were required and then shipped off to Hurst without an owner attached to the cars. There was no "Typical factory" production line at Hurst - the cars were brought in put up on jackstands and modifications were made. My guess is that the owner was attached to the car when they were ready to ship - I am sure that there were adjustments in this but I have heard of a couple of cars that when the owner picked it up they got a 4-speed instead of an automatic. another of the last cars supposedly got a Dana - even though it was an automatic. Landy got the first Dart sent to him unassembled (if I am not mistaken) and it is not the earliest VIN# - I am guessing that they just grabbed one and sent it to him - no real rhyme or reason to the sequence. I have a list of the first 50 cars (Chrysler paperwork - but no VIN#'s) there are a number of cars that should be on there but aren't - Herb McCandless & Larry Griffith to name a couple and their cars should have been on it based on the VIN #. I also know of one confirmed dealer swap from Mr Norms to another dealer in IL. I have also heard of owners showing up to pick their car up and the guy pointing to a group of cars and telling him to pick one out. I think that we expect neat and tidy solutions about the beginnings of these cars - like production cars but in many cases I just don't think that the same logic applies.
The theory about Flynn having two cars is just that - it meets the silver and red that was found under the paint on your car - and the car came from about the same area. I don't think that Flynn raced S/S much in 69 because he was also running a Charger funny car (or was that 70). But it is possible. I do have pictures of the current Flynn car after he sold it to the second owner in OH (who I have not contacted) and it is in Bill's paint (was until the third owner had it for a while), still has the 69 grille, the Bill's distinctive hood supports, Keystones but the stripe around the rear is silver - not yellow.
Mark J

68hemiss · 08-08-2011, 07:07 PM

Hemi Moose,
We are still trying to find the origin of Ed's Dart. I know that there is some paperwork floating around (on the internet) for a Hemi Dart from VanDyke Dodge but in my opinion it is BS. I can't prove this but I have alot of factory and dealership paperwork on these cars and this paperwork is not even close. I do not know if VanDyke ever actually ordered a car - I have no proof of this at all. The rumor about Ed's car is that it was one of Shirley Shahan's cars. As far back as we can track it it was in central IL, painted white and blue - automatic car - there was white paint under the car and red in the engine compartment. I thought a friend of mine showed me some photos of The Go Hummer car that showed a red engine compartment. My guess is that it could be the Go Hummer car - white with blue, female driver???
Anyone have an old picture of the Go Hummer's engine compartment?
Mark J

Paul Ceasrine · 08-08-2011, 07:07 PM

A very rare photo.
'Canadian Challenge'
Super Stock Event, at Cayuga Dragway, Canada
May 1968

Ed Miller, before he lettered the SS/B Hemi Barracuda...
versus
Lance Hill in the Hill / Dick Arons 1968 SS/EA Camaro SS 396/325HP

Liteweight · 08-08-2011, 07:46 PM

The Cookie Duster SS/B . Another Silver/ Red LO. Whereabouts unknown.

lightweight

Paul Ceasrine · 08-08-2011, 08:10 PM

Paul Bailey's 'Coyote Duster' in 1969.
1968 SS/D Hemi Road Runner

Paul Bailey's Chrysler-Plymouth out of North Kingston, Rhode Island, but campaigned in Connecticut.

John Boland · 08-10-2011, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Liteweight

The Cookie Duster SS/B . Another Silver/ Red LO. Whereabouts unknown.

lightweight

I think I used to see this car at Capitol... He would show up with Greg Avent and his hemi Road Runner. Clyde Cheeks?

08-07-2011, 10:18 AM	#2
68hemiss Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 167 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Original hemi dart information Paul/Daryl, I don't think that Bill Flynn would have gotten 2 new Darts. But Maxwell/Koeffel seemed to to facilitate the purchase of a Hemi Dart/Cuda when they knew the racer/owner was changing class/building a new car - Paul, I think we discussed this on the phone a while back. Bill may have gotten a second car in late 68/early 69? This is only a theory but - stranger things have happened. Paul, what does the lettering say on the door (under the window) of the dealership pic? Usually when racers had 2 cars they also had a second driver. Daryl, about the more famous racers getting early cars - yes but no, The run of cars just before and after yours were not "name' racers. Mark J

08-08-2011, 06:59 PM	#5
68hemiss Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 167 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Original hemi dart information Daryl, The question I have is when were the S/O numbers assigned to the cars? Remember Chrysler was originally building 50 of each with or without pre-paid sales. This is a little different than typical production cars. I am guessing that the order was put in by the factory - cars were run down the factory production line adding and deleting what parts were required and then shipped off to Hurst without an owner attached to the cars. There was no "Typical factory" production line at Hurst - the cars were brought in put up on jackstands and modifications were made. My guess is that the owner was attached to the car when they were ready to ship - I am sure that there were adjustments in this but I have heard of a couple of cars that when the owner picked it up they got a 4-speed instead of an automatic. another of the last cars supposedly got a Dana - even though it was an automatic. Landy got the first Dart sent to him unassembled (if I am not mistaken) and it is not the earliest VIN# - I am guessing that they just grabbed one and sent it to him - no real rhyme or reason to the sequence. I have a list of the first 50 cars (Chrysler paperwork - but no VIN#'s) there are a number of cars that should be on there but aren't - Herb McCandless & Larry Griffith to name a couple and their cars should have been on it based on the VIN #. I also know of one confirmed dealer swap from Mr Norms to another dealer in IL. I have also heard of owners showing up to pick their car up and the guy pointing to a group of cars and telling him to pick one out. I think that we expect neat and tidy solutions about the beginnings of these cars - like production cars but in many cases I just don't think that the same logic applies. The theory about Flynn having two cars is just that - it meets the silver and red that was found under the paint on your car - and the car came from about the same area. I don't think that Flynn raced S/S much in 69 because he was also running a Charger funny car (or was that 70). But it is possible. I do have pictures of the current Flynn car after he sold it to the second owner in OH (who I have not contacted) and it is in Bill's paint (was until the third owner had it for a while), still has the 69 grille, the Bill's distinctive hood supports, Keystones but the stripe around the rear is silver - not yellow. Mark J

08-08-2011, 07:07 PM	#6
68hemiss Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 167 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Original hemi dart information Hemi Moose, We are still trying to find the origin of Ed's Dart. I know that there is some paperwork floating around (on the internet) for a Hemi Dart from VanDyke Dodge but in my opinion it is BS. I can't prove this but I have alot of factory and dealership paperwork on these cars and this paperwork is not even close. I do not know if VanDyke ever actually ordered a car - I have no proof of this at all. The rumor about Ed's car is that it was one of Shirley Shahan's cars. As far back as we can track it it was in central IL, painted white and blue - automatic car - there was white paint under the car and red in the engine compartment. I thought a friend of mine showed me some photos of The Go Hummer car that showed a red engine compartment. My guess is that it could be the Go Hummer car - white with blue, female driver??? Anyone have an old picture of the Go Hummer's engine compartment? Mark J

08-08-2011, 07:07 PM	#7
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information A very rare photo. 'Canadian Challenge' Super Stock Event, at Cayuga Dragway, Canada May 1968 Ed Miller, before he lettered the SS/B Hemi Barracuda... versus Lance Hill in the Hill / Dick Arons 1968 SS/EA Camaro SS 396/325HP Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 11-23-2011 at 05:35 PM.

08-08-2011, 07:46 PM	#8
Liteweight VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,280 Likes: 23 Liked 31 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information The Cookie Duster SS/B . Another Silver/ Red LO. Whereabouts unknown. lightweight Attached Thumbnails Attached Images Last edited by Liteweight; 08-08-2011 at 11:32 PM.

08-08-2011, 08:10 PM	#9
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Paul Bailey's 'Coyote Duster' in 1969. 1968 SS/D Hemi Road Runner Paul Bailey's Chrysler-Plymouth out of North Kingston, Rhode Island, but campaigned in Connecticut. Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 09-09-2011 at 11:40 AM.