'67 Camaro E/SA redo - Page 6

rpmrcn7616 · 02-25-2014, 06:18 PM

what stall did you go with on the converter

HandOverFist · 02-25-2014, 08:55 PM

Thomas Arnett sent the convertor in to be re-worked...I assume he provided the spec's for our car. I know his family run several similar cars.

HandOverFist · 02-27-2014, 02:32 AM

Finally broke down and bought a quality generator after all these years. All I can say is wow...only 44 pounds and whisper quiet.

Blasted my old t(rusty) trailer Sunday afternoon and sprayed it completely with bedliner coating...no more rusting and painting for me. I should have done this years ago. All new bearings/races/seals installed along with new led lights.

brent flynn · 02-27-2014, 07:33 AM

Looks good! Good luck at test and tune... So were you able to use the powerglide/4spd crossmember? I have a 4spd crossmember, so if i ever go with a 200, i will be able to put it right in...
Seeing your trailer kinda makes me wish i didnt have an enclosed(i bought last June)...i miss the thumbs up, when people go by me on the highway...

HandOverFist · 03-01-2014, 10:40 PM

Well, things went well until I ventured on the track today. Spent some time on the return road bedding the brakes and checking out the new transmission...if I had stopped right there things would have been peachy.

Made the first pass and the car yanked the wheels about two feet high on the launch. Felt alright going down track, but I could tell something wasnt quiet right overall. When I saw the timeslip I decided to fatten the carb and make another pass.

I planned on making this pass first before trying leaving on the two-step, so I stalled it up to 2800 and was really up on the wheel this time for the tree. When I nailed the throttle all hell broke loose under the car. I've broken my share of rear-ends over the years, but I never heard anything like I heard today...like the driveshaft was coming thru the floorpan.

With help the car was pushed backwards back into the staging lanes. I could'nt believe what I was seeing once I crawled under the car. At the hit it had folded the spring perches on the axle tubes like they were cardboard sending the center section pinion/yoke sky high into the floorpan. The most extreme pinion angle I have ever seen haha!

Made good use of the trailer winch today thank goodness. On the ride back home my partner and I debated the cause of this disaster, but neither of us could come up with a plausible explanation. Everything was dead-on straight, pinion angle at 4 degrees and the u-bolts were tightened to the point of deflecting the Caltrac brackets. We called a good friend and racer Perry Simpkins and he met us at the shop as we pulled in. Once on the lift Perry picked out the culprit...it was simply a failure of the spring perches themselves. Not enough bracing on the tubes.

Long story short...don't assume just because you bought the best parts they are the best parts. I'm probably going to have the housing doctored local instead of dealing with Moser. Had I known these perches were so weak beforehand I could have easily braced them myself from the beginning. Jeebus...work on a car all winter to make one pass.

Oh yeah Brent, you were asking about the trans crossmember. I had to drill thru the center for the cable...the only way the bracket was going to mount to the pan.

Glenn Hayes · 03-02-2014, 12:05 AM

Holy Cow!
First off, I glad that your O.K., that is most important.

On my Wagon, I have 2" steel straps welded to the ends of the perch angled back to the axle tube on both ends.

brent flynn · 03-02-2014, 07:43 AM

Dang! Im pretty sure that Moser would be getting a call from me, on this deal... THey should make it right. I had them do mine, about 12yrs ago, and ive had no problems...they must be using chinese parts... Now, i will look at mine...I think mine are stronger looking , if i recall...

HandOverFist · 03-02-2014, 08:18 AM

The way it used to look hehe...

One would think that with a failure this quick I can't be the only one this has happened to. Btw, the Moser website really sucks.

Dwight Southerland · 03-02-2014, 08:56 AM

Been there; done that. You will end up with something like this made from square or rectangular tubing and then boxed on the ends.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEAF-SPRING-...0994e8&vxp=mtr

HandOverFist · 03-02-2014, 09:03 AM

Thanks Dwight...found something better at Calverts. http://www.calvertracing.com/store/h...pair-p-63.html

My question is why Moser did not use something better when they knew beforehand exactly what the intended application was.

02-25-2014, 06:18 PM	#51
rpmrcn7616 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo what stall did you go with on the converter

02-25-2014, 08:55 PM	#52
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Thomas Arnett sent the convertor in to be re-worked...I assume he provided the spec's for our car. I know his family run several similar cars. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321

02-27-2014, 02:32 AM	#53
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Finally broke down and bought a quality generator after all these years. All I can say is wow...only 44 pounds and whisper quiet. Blasted my old t(rusty) trailer Sunday afternoon and sprayed it completely with bedliner coating...no more rusting and painting for me. I should have done this years ago. All new bearings/races/seals installed along with new led lights. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321 Last edited by HandOverFist; 02-27-2014 at 01:36 PM.

02-27-2014, 07:33 AM	#54
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Looks good! Good luck at test and tune... So were you able to use the powerglide/4spd crossmember? I have a 4spd crossmember, so if i ever go with a 200, i will be able to put it right in... Seeing your trailer kinda makes me wish i didnt have an enclosed(i bought last June)...i miss the thumbs up, when people go by me on the highway... __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA

03-01-2014, 10:40 PM	#55
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Bowling Green PukeFest Well, things went well until I ventured on the track today. Spent some time on the return road bedding the brakes and checking out the new transmission...if I had stopped right there things would have been peachy. Made the first pass and the car yanked the wheels about two feet high on the launch. Felt alright going down track, but I could tell something wasnt quiet right overall. When I saw the timeslip I decided to fatten the carb and make another pass. I planned on making this pass first before trying leaving on the two-step, so I stalled it up to 2800 and was really up on the wheel this time for the tree. When I nailed the throttle all hell broke loose under the car. I've broken my share of rear-ends over the years, but I never heard anything like I heard today...like the driveshaft was coming thru the floorpan. With help the car was pushed backwards back into the staging lanes. I could'nt believe what I was seeing once I crawled under the car. At the hit it had folded the spring perches on the axle tubes like they were cardboard sending the center section pinion/yoke sky high into the floorpan. The most extreme pinion angle I have ever seen haha! Made good use of the trailer winch today thank goodness. On the ride back home my partner and I debated the cause of this disaster, but neither of us could come up with a plausible explanation. Everything was dead-on straight, pinion angle at 4 degrees and the u-bolts were tightened to the point of deflecting the Caltrac brackets. We called a good friend and racer Perry Simpkins and he met us at the shop as we pulled in. Once on the lift Perry picked out the culprit...it was simply a failure of the spring perches themselves. Not enough bracing on the tubes. Long story short...don't assume just because you bought the best parts they are the best parts. I'm probably going to have the housing doctored local instead of dealing with Moser. Had I known these perches were so weak beforehand I could have easily braced them myself from the beginning. Jeebus...work on a car all winter to make one pass. Oh yeah Brent, you were asking about the trans crossmember. I had to drill thru the center for the cable...the only way the bracket was going to mount to the pan. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321 Last edited by HandOverFist; 03-01-2014 at 11:01 PM.

03-02-2014, 12:05 AM	#56
Glenn Hayes Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Weeki Wachee, Florida Posts: 348 Likes: 416 Liked 18 Times in 12 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Holy Cow! First off, I glad that your O.K., that is most important. On my Wagon, I have 2" steel straps welded to the ends of the perch angled back to the axle tube on both ends. __________________ "Real Race Cars Have Tailgates"

03-02-2014, 07:43 AM	#57
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Dang! Im pretty sure that Moser would be getting a call from me, on this deal... THey should make it right. I had them do mine, about 12yrs ago, and ive had no problems...they must be using chinese parts... Now, i will look at mine...I think mine are stronger looking , if i recall... __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA

03-02-2014, 08:18 AM	#58
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo The way it used to look hehe... One would think that with a failure this quick I can't be the only one this has happened to. Btw, the Moser website really sucks. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321 Last edited by HandOverFist; 03-02-2014 at 08:44 AM.

03-02-2014, 08:56 AM	#59
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Been there; done that. You will end up with something like this made from square or rectangular tubing and then boxed on the ends. http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEAF-SPRING-...0994e8&vxp=mtr

03-02-2014, 09:03 AM	#60
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Thanks Dwight...found something better at Calverts. http://www.calvertracing.com/store/h...pair-p-63.html My question is why Moser did not use something better when they knew beforehand exactly what the intended application was. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321