HP Reduction Request

goinbroke2 · 03-10-2017, 08:22 AM

We're getting way off topic, but here's what I posted on yellow bullet recently when the subject of fans came up. (tried to clean it up a bit for here)

Back to basics, make the race competition not entertainment. THAT is where nascar/nhra/etc all went wrong. Chasing the $$ by making it entertainment for the masses thinking it will draw in the idiot stick and ball crowd. Here's a hint, IT DOESN'T! Every twit sitting in the stands at a ball game imagines himself out there on the field being the hero as they've all played a sport in school growing up. Take those same retards and put them in the stands at a race (any race) and they can't relate unless they're "car people" in the first place. Since the majority are not, its just loud excitement for them, what happens doesn't matter as long as they're entertained. Run half the cars clockwise and the other half counter clockwise and the idiots will flood the gates. That's why monster trucks took off so strong. Now the idiots are used to the level of destruction so they went to "freestyle" which just meant jump and smash and destroy the truck in the name of entertainment. Now even that is dying off because non automotive tards "don't get it" and would be just as happy if you took a sledge hammer to an old fridge. They would still sit there slack jawed saying "lookit, haw, haw, he done smashed up thet fridge, haw, haw"

To heck with nascrap and nhra too, I'll stick to local tracks where the stands might be almost empty as well, but those that are there are family/friends and actually care who won the round and cringe when stuff goes bad.

Back on topic, hope this reduction can get legs, put me down as "for"!

Daran Summerton · 03-10-2017, 09:45 AM

If anyone watches the No Mercy or Lights out races in South Ga. you will see not one empty seat in the whole place. I believe the attraction to Stock for fans and racers is heads up. Index and dial ins pretty much suck to sit and watch. I agree a lot of combos need adjusting but also we need 1lb classes for more heads up. Do we need a classification guide??? Pick the class you want to run with a max of say 100-200 ballast.

Mark Yacavone · 03-10-2017, 11:53 AM

There is another thread here for some of these ideas.Thanks

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=65533

Dwight Southerland · 03-10-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Daran Summerton

If anyone watches the No Mercy or Lights out races in South Ga. you will see not one empty seat in the whole place. I believe the attraction to Stock for fans and racers is heads up. Index and dial ins pretty much suck to sit and watch. I agree a lot of combos need adjusting but also we need 1lb classes for more heads up. Do we need a classification guide??? Pick the class you want to run with a max of say 100-200 ballast.

I agree in general. Stock and SS lost spectator appeal when it moved further away from being performance based. The most exciting part of watching these classes has been class eliminations at a big race like Indy. But even that has been diluted by the 1000 ft runs.

Billy Nees · 01-06-2019, 09:04 AM

Here ya go Mike! This subject STILL needs Racers to get behind it and let the NHRA know how you feel.

Mike Jones · 01-06-2019, 03:17 PM

OK Billy
Every sport recognizes their roots. In Stock, Old Timers Day is every day!, No retired numbers! Its great NHRA supports nostalgia racing, however, there is a unique opportunity here for them to cross over to Stock Eliminator. These old Super Stock cars, foundations of the sport, driven by most of the pioneers of the sport, could fit right in, with the stroke of a pen. Off the top of my head, a pre 1965 weight reduction deal, so they don`t break everything. Come on NHRA, help them out.

have a look.... http://georgeklass.net/ss.html

Mike A114

Mike Jones · 01-06-2019, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

I agree in general. Stock and SS lost spectator appeal when it moved further away from being performance based. The most exciting part of watching these classes has been class eliminations at a big race like Indy. But even that has been diluted by the 1000 ft runs.

Should qualify off the index, or dial. Staggered start. Write the number on the window. Let the fans watch a race. If I was king, thats the way it would be.

MJ

james schaechter · 01-06-2019, 07:44 PM

I think they could offer CIC races for stock and superstock at select events. Maybe just divisional or opens. Do it like Pat Joffrion did at No Problem. Make the hit low enough to get the interest of the more people. Hell charge whatever they think they need to charge. Make teardown for finalists or at least a good look. I would pay to enter that! Oh and make the CIC AHFS free,

Adger Smith · 01-06-2019, 10:44 PM

Qualifying off the index would make qualifying look more like a race for the few spectators that show up, now. At this time all a spectator sees in Qualifying is "Timed Runs" nothing that resembles a race.
If I was in charge the racers would probably put a hit on me because I would be doing everything I could to get spectators in the seats.

GTS340 · 01-06-2019, 11:59 PM

I surely see no harm in reducing forgotten combinations. I really don't see this producing new young racers much either unless Dad has a 67 GTO he is tired of looking at.. Now a days a street car can go faster than 12 seconds it seems which takes more money to run. Just building any new stockers is more than a few dimes. Most folks are looking for built cars that need a new owner. Again if you need my vote... Yes! reduce forgotten combinations. Good Luck!

03-10-2017, 08:22 AM	#1
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 885 Likes: 1,571 Liked 384 Times in 149 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request We're getting way off topic, but here's what I posted on yellow bullet recently when the subject of fans came up. (tried to clean it up a bit for here) Back to basics, make the race competition not entertainment. THAT is where nascar/nhra/etc all went wrong. Chasing the $$ by making it entertainment for the masses thinking it will draw in the idiot stick and ball crowd. Here's a hint, IT DOESN'T! Every twit sitting in the stands at a ball game imagines himself out there on the field being the hero as they've all played a sport in school growing up. Take those same retards and put them in the stands at a race (any race) and they can't relate unless they're "car people" in the first place. Since the majority are not, its just loud excitement for them, what happens doesn't matter as long as they're entertained. Run half the cars clockwise and the other half counter clockwise and the idiots will flood the gates. That's why monster trucks took off so strong. Now the idiots are used to the level of destruction so they went to "freestyle" which just meant jump and smash and destroy the truck in the name of entertainment. Now even that is dying off because non automotive tards "don't get it" and would be just as happy if you took a sledge hammer to an old fridge. They would still sit there slack jawed saying "lookit, haw, haw, he done smashed up thet fridge, haw, haw" To heck with nascrap and nhra too, I'll stick to local tracks where the stands might be almost empty as well, but those that are there are family/friends and actually care who won the round and cringe when stuff goes bad. Back on topic, hope this reduction can get legs, put me down as "for"!

03-10-2017, 09:45 AM	#2
Daran Summerton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas nv Posts: 600 Likes: 18 Liked 66 Times in 37 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request If anyone watches the No Mercy or Lights out races in South Ga. you will see not one empty seat in the whole place. I believe the attraction to Stock for fans and racers is heads up. Index and dial ins pretty much suck to sit and watch. I agree a lot of combos need adjusting but also we need 1lb classes for more heads up. Do we need a classification guide??? Pick the class you want to run with a max of say 100-200 ballast. __________________ 72 cutlass

03-10-2017, 11:53 AM	#3
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,809 Likes: 2,900 Liked 5,114 Times in 1,948 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request There is another thread here for some of these ideas.Thanks http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=65533 __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

01-06-2019, 09:04 AM	#5
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,487 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,685 Times in 1,732 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request Here ya go Mike! This subject STILL needs Racers to get behind it and let the NHRA know how you feel. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

01-06-2019, 03:17 PM	#6
Mike Jones VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,125 Likes: 1,179 Liked 684 Times in 289 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request OK Billy Every sport recognizes their roots. In Stock, Old Timers Day is every day!, No retired numbers! Its great NHRA supports nostalgia racing, however, there is a unique opportunity here for them to cross over to Stock Eliminator. These old Super Stock cars, foundations of the sport, driven by most of the pioneers of the sport, could fit right in, with the stroke of a pen. Off the top of my head, a pre 1965 weight reduction deal, so they don`t break everything. Come on NHRA, help them out. have a look.... http://georgeklass.net/ss.html Mike A114 Last edited by Mike Jones; 01-07-2019 at 08:29 AM.

01-06-2019, 07:44 PM	#8
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,988 Likes: 1,281 Liked 1,428 Times in 296 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request I think they could offer CIC races for stock and superstock at select events. Maybe just divisional or opens. Do it like Pat Joffrion did at No Problem. Make the hit low enough to get the interest of the more people. Hell charge whatever they think they need to charge. Make teardown for finalists or at least a good look. I would pay to enter that! Oh and make the CIC AHFS free, __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK

01-06-2019, 10:44 PM	#9
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request Qualifying off the index would make qualifying look more like a race for the few spectators that show up, now. At this time all a spectator sees in Qualifying is "Timed Runs" nothing that resembles a race. If I was in charge the racers would probably put a hit on me because I would be doing everything I could to get spectators in the seats. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

01-06-2019, 11:59 PM	#10
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 866 Likes: 269 Liked 1,340 Times in 407 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request I surely see no harm in reducing forgotten combinations. I really don't see this producing new young racers much either unless Dad has a 67 GTO he is tired of looking at.. Now a days a street car can go faster than 12 seconds it seems which takes more money to run. Just building any new stockers is more than a few dimes. Most folks are looking for built cars that need a new owner. Again if you need my vote... Yes! reduce forgotten combinations. Good Luck!