HP Reduction Request - Page 9

Ed Fernandez · 03-09-2017, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I've heard that too. We aren't fast enough to impresse people that are just there for the noise and 300 MPH speeds. If you sit in the stands and talk to some of them, most don't really know much about cars.

Ed, you said it. They don't know and probably couldn't care less, as long as they make a lot of noise and potentially go bouncing off the concrete barriers or blow sky high. You'll never get them interested in sportsman racing.

Coleydog · 03-09-2017, 09:28 PM

I dont care if the fans leave, I race for MY fun not theirs. One question, i think I saw at one national event there where only 128 qualifying spots but more cars where there, does this happen at all of the national events? What about divisional events, how is that handled?

Ed Fernandez · 03-10-2017, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleydog

I dont care if the fans leave, I race for MY fun not theirs. One question, i think I saw at one national event there where only 128 qualifying spots but more cars where there, does this happen at all of the national events? What about divisional events, how is that handled?

Economics ! : The fans pay a lot of the bills. No fans no race. Look at pictures of National events in the '70-'90s. packed to the fences. Most people wore t shirts that were sponsor related to racing friendly. Look now, John Force, Schumacher etc. etc. etc.

128 car fields goes back a ways. Back then, lowest qualified 128 cars raced. Anyone #129 could stick around to see if any of the qualified cars couldn't make first round. The others could watch or go home.
Divisionals are all run fields.
Indy takes 170+ in S/SS. 128 race the others go home.

Ed Fernandez · 03-10-2017, 12:48 AM

Question for the gray beards. When did Nat'l events become 4 day marathons?

Darrel Goheen · 03-10-2017, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Divisionals are all run fields.

At the 2nd Vegas Divisional last year that wasn't the case.

Coleydog · 03-10-2017, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Economics ! : The fans pay a lot of the bills. No fans no race. Look at pictures of National events in the '70-'90s. packed to the fences. Most people wore t shirts that were sponsor related to racing friendly. Look now, John Force, Schumacher etc. etc. etc.

128 car fields goes back a ways. Back then, lowest qualified 128 cars raced. Anyone #129 could stick around to see if any of the qualified cars couldn't make first round. The others could watch or go home.
Divisionals are all run fields.
Indy takes 170+ in S/SS. 128 race the others go home.

Sorry, I worded it wrong, when the fans go to get something to eat or whatever, it doesn't bother me there not there. I want the place packed too. Make money so the tracks stay open.

Larry Hill · 03-10-2017, 07:31 AM

Divisionals are a qualified field of 128 for stock and superstock. Dot 90 cars are all run. The Sports nationals and opens are all run for S/SS.

goinbroke2 · 03-10-2017, 08:22 AM

We're getting way off topic, but here's what I posted on yellow bullet recently when the subject of fans came up. (tried to clean it up a bit for here)

Back to basics, make the race competition not entertainment. THAT is where nascar/nhra/etc all went wrong. Chasing the $$ by making it entertainment for the masses thinking it will draw in the idiot stick and ball crowd. Here's a hint, IT DOESN'T! Every twit sitting in the stands at a ball game imagines himself out there on the field being the hero as they've all played a sport in school growing up. Take those same retards and put them in the stands at a race (any race) and they can't relate unless they're "car people" in the first place. Since the majority are not, its just loud excitement for them, what happens doesn't matter as long as they're entertained. Run half the cars clockwise and the other half counter clockwise and the idiots will flood the gates. That's why monster trucks took off so strong. Now the idiots are used to the level of destruction so they went to "freestyle" which just meant jump and smash and destroy the truck in the name of entertainment. Now even that is dying off because non automotive tards "don't get it" and would be just as happy if you took a sledge hammer to an old fridge. They would still sit there slack jawed saying "lookit, haw, haw, he done smashed up thet fridge, haw, haw"

To heck with nascrap and nhra too, I'll stick to local tracks where the stands might be almost empty as well, but those that are there are family/friends and actually care who won the round and cringe when stuff goes bad.

Back on topic, hope this reduction can get legs, put me down as "for"!

Daran Summerton · 03-10-2017, 09:45 AM

If anyone watches the No Mercy or Lights out races in South Ga. you will see not one empty seat in the whole place. I believe the attraction to Stock for fans and racers is heads up. Index and dial ins pretty much suck to sit and watch. I agree a lot of combos need adjusting but also we need 1lb classes for more heads up. Do we need a classification guide??? Pick the class you want to run with a max of say 100-200 ballast.

Mark Yacavone · 03-10-2017, 11:53 AM

There is another thread here for some of these ideas.Thanks

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=65533

03-09-2017, 09:28 PM	#82
Coleydog Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 569 Likes: 36 Liked 53 Times in 38 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request I dont care if the fans leave, I race for MY fun not theirs. One question, i think I saw at one national event there where only 128 qualifying spots but more cars where there, does this happen at all of the national events? What about divisional events, how is that handled?

03-10-2017, 12:48 AM	#84
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request Question for the gray beards. When did Nat'l events become 4 day marathons? __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

03-10-2017, 07:31 AM	#87
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,633 Likes: 1,927 Liked 10,687 Times in 2,225 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request Divisionals are a qualified field of 128 for stock and superstock. Dot 90 cars are all run. The Sports nationals and opens are all run for S/SS. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-10-2017, 08:22 AM	#88
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 887 Likes: 1,589 Liked 385 Times in 150 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request We're getting way off topic, but here's what I posted on yellow bullet recently when the subject of fans came up. (tried to clean it up a bit for here) Back to basics, make the race competition not entertainment. THAT is where nascar/nhra/etc all went wrong. Chasing the $$ by making it entertainment for the masses thinking it will draw in the idiot stick and ball crowd. Here's a hint, IT DOESN'T! Every twit sitting in the stands at a ball game imagines himself out there on the field being the hero as they've all played a sport in school growing up. Take those same retards and put them in the stands at a race (any race) and they can't relate unless they're "car people" in the first place. Since the majority are not, its just loud excitement for them, what happens doesn't matter as long as they're entertained. Run half the cars clockwise and the other half counter clockwise and the idiots will flood the gates. That's why monster trucks took off so strong. Now the idiots are used to the level of destruction so they went to "freestyle" which just meant jump and smash and destroy the truck in the name of entertainment. Now even that is dying off because non automotive tards "don't get it" and would be just as happy if you took a sledge hammer to an old fridge. They would still sit there slack jawed saying "lookit, haw, haw, he done smashed up thet fridge, haw, haw" To heck with nascrap and nhra too, I'll stick to local tracks where the stands might be almost empty as well, but those that are there are family/friends and actually care who won the round and cringe when stuff goes bad. Back on topic, hope this reduction can get legs, put me down as "for"!

03-10-2017, 09:45 AM	#89
Daran Summerton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas nv Posts: 600 Likes: 18 Liked 66 Times in 37 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request If anyone watches the No Mercy or Lights out races in South Ga. you will see not one empty seat in the whole place. I believe the attraction to Stock for fans and racers is heads up. Index and dial ins pretty much suck to sit and watch. I agree a lot of combos need adjusting but also we need 1lb classes for more heads up. Do we need a classification guide??? Pick the class you want to run with a max of say 100-200 ballast. __________________ 72 cutlass

03-10-2017, 11:53 AM	#90
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,814 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,118 Times in 1,950 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request There is another thread here for some of these ideas.Thanks http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=65533 __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers