Continuing the quota discussion

[Bruce Noland]

The problem is MONEY. The pros and TV bring in the money and we cost nhra time and money, even though they are still a not for profit and need us to help keep that status.

Now in keeping with the nhra's desire for money, each Sportsman entry should be viewed as a commodity that it sells to a captive membership. One way to influence nhra's thinking may be to set all the quotas at 64 for national events save Indy. Then once the quotas are full nhra could add dollars to the entry fees. Lets say a race fills at 7 grade points. The value of the nhra entry commodity would increase for racers who want to enter with 6 grade points. Add $100.00 per grade point until a maximum of 90 entries have been sold for each category. In short, it falls on the racer. How damn bad do you want to race? It may cost a racer almost $700.00 if he/she has 3 grade points and the race is still open at 3 grade points. Like I said, how bad do you want to race? This way nhra is still living up to it's charter and the rest is on the racers, as far as entries are concerned. And you still have to park in the boonies!

[Rory McNeil]

Considering how much entering a NHRA National event costs the Sportsman racers, and the meager payouts, I find it hard to believe that the Sportsman racers are anything but a cash cow for NHRA. And that cash cow seems to not mind paying a lot of money to pit 1/2 mile away from the staging lanes, spend most of the 3 or 4 days waiting to make a pass, and if they do get a win, receive less $$$ than they would have 10 or 20 years ago.

[Mark Yacavone]

And so it goes..
Gainesville took 7 gp's this year . Next year it will be 8.
I hate to give them any credit for doing anything , but it sure seems like they're doing something right.
More Div. participants = raised rates to the hosting track.

Meanwhile, some racers don't seem to have a problem with the ever increasing g.p. requirements.
As they say.."only the strong survive" .

They also say:

[Tony Fagnilli]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Considering how much entering a NHRA National event costs the Sportsman racers, and the meager payouts, I find it hard to believe that the Sportsman racers are anything but a cash cow for NHRA. And that cash cow seems to not mind paying a lot of money to pit 1/2 mile away from the staging lanes, spend most of the 3 or 4 days waiting to make a pass, and if they do get a win, receive less $$$ than they would have 10 or 20 years ago.

Rory, I'm one of those guys. In '03 I won the World Nationals at Nowalk and I got 1500.00 from IHRA. In '14 I was lucky enough to win the Bristol National event. NHRA payed me 1200.00. LOL. But, I don't do it for the money, never have and never will. I race because that's what I do for fun. It's a hobby for me (and most of us, I'm sure). Because it's what I love to do. If the NHRA said, no more payouts, I'd still do it.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Tony Fagnilli

Rory, I'm one of those guys. In '03 I won the World Nationals at Nowalk and I got 1500.00 from IHRA. In '14 I was lucky enough to win the Bristol National event. NHRA payed me 1200.00. LOL. But, I don't do it for the money, never have and never will. I race because that's what I do for fun. It's a hobby for me (and most of us, I'm sure). Because it's what I love to do. If the NHRA said, no more payouts, I'd still do it.

Tony great post, I feel the same way the little check is just a bonus. I'm just glad and thankful that I can afford to do this for the fun of it and the people I've been able to meet along the way.
Mike unfortunately I don't think there's much that we can do to change the current format because for 1: Its working great for them. As long as we continue to enter these Nationals the way we do they have no reason to change. They have it set to a point where they think it's most economical for them as far as running a national event and it helps sell the division format by making it important that we as racers attend.

[Tony Fagnilli]

Originally Posted by hr9121

tony great post, i feel the same way the little check is just a bonus. I'm just glad and thankful that i can afford to do this for the fun of it and the people i've been able to meet along the way.
Mike unfortunately i don't think there's much that we can do to change the current format because for 1: Its working great for them. As long as we continue to enter these nationals the way we do they have no reason to change. They have it set to a point where they think it's most economical for them as far as running a national event and it helps sell the division format by making it important that we as racers attend.

amen

[4543]

Guys, This doesn’t affect me in the least. I’ve got 11 grade points. I’m thinking about all of the other racers who have not been able to race as much for whatever reason whether it’s family commitments, work or whatever. I want to find a way to keep these people enthused about our sport. I would like to see min 64 car fields to eliminate some of the bye runs. M8e McMahan 2543 H/SA

[James Perrone]

With past world champions
2018 division champs
Top 10 in the world 2018
You have your 64 +. Car fields. Problem solved
Being the divisionals are for Everybody
We as racers need to start run Class at divisionals
I mean divisionals are a circus index..racers track host race..jr dragsters leds
We are watching all this stuff With Nothing For Us.
They don’t want us at National Events we are too much work

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The problem is MONEY. The pros and TV bring in the money and we cost nhra time and money, even though they are still a not for profit and need us to help keep that status.

Now in keeping with the nhra's desire for money, each Sportsman entry should be viewed as a commodity that it sells to a captive membership. One way to influence nhra's thinking may be to set all the quotas at 64 for national events save Indy. Then once the quotas are full nhra could add dollars to the entry fees. Lets say a race fills at 7 grade points. The value of the nhra entry commodity would increase for racers who want to enter with 6 grade points. Add $100.00 per grade point until a maximum of 90 entries have been sold for each category. In short, it falls on the racer. How damn bad do you want to race? It may cost a racer almost $700.00 if he/she has 3 grade points and the race is still open at 3 grade points. Like I said, how bad do you want to race? This way nhra is still living up to it's charter and the rest is on the racers, as far as entries are concerned. And you still have to park in the boonies!

NOT that "F" ing bad !

[Mike Pearson]

The real problem with the quotas is the amount of classes they have now running the national events. Back when I started the classes were
Too fuel
Funny car
Pro Comp
Pro stock
Comp
Modified
Super stock
Stock

Now
Too fuel
Funny car
Alcohol dragster
Alcohol funny car
Pro mod
Pro stock
Pro stock motorcycle
Too dragster
Top sportsman
Comp
Super stock
Stock
Super comp
Super gas
Super street

To make this happen NHRA has taken away quota from stock and Super stock to make room for these newer classes.
One other observation on my part. Provisional entries should never counted toward the quota seeing how they don’t need grade points to enter.