Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

oldskool · 03-09-2020, 07:39 PM

"...I built a 78 car so I could use the 78-79 big cam motor with a stick, for J and K/Stock.

I'd like to dig a little deeper into this. I understand the term "big cam", as used here. The cam for the '77-'78 auto trans 180hp 400 limited to .364/.364 lift, @ the valve, with 1.5 rockers. The '78 220hp 400 is allowed .404/.407 lift.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...7&MAKE=Pontiac

Did you ever get to race this, or any other '78-'79 Bird, as a stick car ?

I've been going thru my pics, & my memory. I just can't remember ever seeing a '77-'79 Pontiac stick Bird listed.

So, does anybody here know of one, or more ? If so, please post info & pics, if possible.

Thanks !

As mentioned, I recall lots of stick GTO's, 1st gen Birds, & even a very few early 2nd gens. Just can't recall a '77-'79 stick Bird. Maybe there were some, back in the '80-'90's, that I just never heard of. That's quite possible.

While on the subject of racing a stick. I assume the days of just running a beefed up Muncie or ST-10 & a Hurst shifter, are long gone. Assume the clutch is now used only for the launch, & the missed 2-3 shift is a thing of the past. Exactly what parts are now required to run a 10 or 11 sec Stocker, with a stick, & expect the trans/clutch set-up to survive ?

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp...-transmission/

http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/jerico.htm

https://www.gforcetransmissions.com/tran_g101.asp

I also need to be reminded again of the exact year when cam duration & valve spring pressure became unlimited. OK, 1985. Got it !

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=26781

Sorry for what, to many here, are very elementary questions. But, if I knew, I wouldn't ask.

oldskool · 03-12-2020, 12:03 PM

At the Gators, Randi Lyn Shipp was #12 & Michael Brand was #53 on the Q-1 list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

They get 3 shots today.

In Q-2, Randi Lyn was still # 12, with a .913 under, 10.637. Michael was #19, with an .851 under, 10.699. Both cars are running D/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

In Q-3, Randi Lyn ended up in #14 position, & Michael in #22 position.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

No Pro cars for this weekend. Lower Sportsman classes will run without spectators.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

03-09-2020, 07:39 PM	#1
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers "...I built a 78 car so I could use the 78-79 big cam motor with a stick, for J and K/Stock. I'd like to dig a little deeper into this. I understand the term "big cam", as used here. The cam for the '77-'78 auto trans 180hp 400 limited to .364/.364 lift, @ the valve, with 1.5 rockers. The '78 220hp 400 is allowed .404/.407 lift. http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...7&MAKE=Pontiac Did you ever get to race this, or any other '78-'79 Bird, as a stick car ? I've been going thru my pics, & my memory. I just can't remember ever seeing a '77-'79 Pontiac stick Bird listed. So, does anybody here know of one, or more ? If so, please post info & pics, if possible. Thanks ! As mentioned, I recall lots of stick GTO's, 1st gen Birds, & even a very few early 2nd gens. Just can't recall a '77-'79 stick Bird. Maybe there were some, back in the '80-'90's, that I just never heard of. That's quite possible. While on the subject of racing a stick. I assume the days of just running a beefed up Muncie or ST-10 & a Hurst shifter, are long gone. Assume the clutch is now used only for the launch, & the missed 2-3 shift is a thing of the past. Exactly what parts are now required to run a 10 or 11 sec Stocker, with a stick, & expect the trans/clutch set-up to survive ? https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp...-transmission/ http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/jerico.htm https://www.gforcetransmissions.com/tran_g101.asp I also need to be reminded again of the exact year when cam duration & valve spring pressure became unlimited. OK, 1985. Got it ! http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=26781 Sorry for what, to many here, are very elementary questions. But, if I knew, I wouldn't ask. Last edited by oldskool; 03-09-2020 at 09:25 PM.

03-12-2020, 12:03 PM	#2
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers At the Gators, Randi Lyn Shipp was #12 & Michael Brand was #53 on the Q-1 list. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop They get 3 shots today. In Q-2, Randi Lyn was still # 12, with a .913 under, 10.637. Michael was #19, with an .851 under, 10.699. Both cars are running D/SA. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop In Q-3, Randi Lyn ended up in #14 position, & Michael in #22 position. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop No Pro cars for this weekend. Lower Sportsman classes will run without spectators. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop Last edited by oldskool; 03-12-2020 at 05:20 PM.