Bill Bader Jr. "we are going to open"

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

So Jim who is being stupid? The man trying to protect the people of his state or a greedy track owner?

Of course, I think of the Conkey family..all the time.
The man says he put his profits back into the business, rather than a vault somewhere. He doesn't have cash on hand to survive ,without re-opening soon . He employs hundred of locals..Now down to three. He doesn't take a salary.
Perhaps you ought to define "greed" for us.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Perhaps you ought to define "greed" for us.

So what happens if he reopens and three weeks later, a number of people who went to his track test positive for COVID-19? What will happen if any of them die?

In addition to the PR hit that he and the track will take, there could also be lawsuits. It won't just be him ... it will be every other business and organization that their name on the track.

Do you think his insurance company told him it is OK with his plan to reopen?

In a case like this, I would define greed as when money overrides good judgement and common sense.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

So what happens if he reopens and three weeks later, a number of people who went to his track test positive for COVID-19? What will happen if any of them die?

In addition to the PR hit that he and the track will take, there could also be lawsuits. It won't just be him ... it will be every other business and organization that their name on the track.

Do you think his insurance company told him it is OK with his plan to reopen?

In a case like this, I would define greed as when money overrides good judgement and common sense.

First, I haven't heard one story how anyone, famous or otherwise, specifically contracted the disease.
Sure, someone, let's say from Cleveland, might attend an event at Norwalk, and then test positive, of course, not knowing if they got it at the track. That person might then hire a lawyer and try to pin it on Mr. Bader and co. He would have to deal with that aspect. I'm sure he thought this all through.

Another option would be to keep the track closed and then lose his livelihood and that of others involved.

Perhaps you ought to define "good judgement and common sense" .

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

First, I haven't heard one story how anyone, famous or otherwise, specifically contracted the disease.

Google "Biogen Boston" and look in the news section for stories about how a single conference helped spread COVID-19 into Massachusetts and beyond. Hint: In early to mid-March, 92 people in Massachusetts had COVID-19. 70 of them were either Biogen employees or related to them.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Sure, someone, let's say from Cleveland, might attend an event at Norwalk, and then test positive, of course, not knowing if they got it at the track. That person might then hire a lawyer and try to pin it on Mr. Bader and co. He would have to deal with that aspect. I'm sure he thought this all through.

Or, you could see a spike of cases in the Cleveland area, with the common demoninator being that people developing the new cases all went to the track seven to 21 days before.

As for being thought through, do you really think an insurance company would say "Good plan. Go for it?"

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Perhaps you ought to define "good judgment and common sense" .

OK ... It is balancing possible short-term gain against possible long-term losses.

[Randall Klein]

Man, I feel for him. But to make it worthwhile, he needs attendance, lots of it, buying food, drinks etc....can't see it. I've been there 3 times and I told Bader to his face that I hate him...he and his track have ruined me for almost every other track or experience. I want to go one more time, in fact just cancelled rooms in Norwalk.

I want to race very bad....but my plan is to seek out venues, with space to pit all alone, in the boonies, and limit any people contact, and stay in trailer (no motels), carry food & water, no concessions (ain't figured out bathrooms yet)….most points races have little or no fans anyway, although desire to see "something" may bring them out....I THINK I can be careful in most points race environments.....can't see how Norwalk can do it, But I wish them well

DeWine vs Bader, pass the popcorn

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

Google "Biogen Boston" and look in the news section for stories about how a single conference helped spread COVID-19 into Massachusetts and beyond. Hint: In early to mid-March, 92 people in Massachusetts had COVID-19. 70 of them were either Biogen employees or related to them.



Or, you could see a spike of cases in the Cleveland area, with the common demoninator being that people developing the new cases all went to the track seven to 21 days before.

As for being thought through, do you really think an insurance company would say "Good plan. Go for it?"




OK ... It is balancing possible short-term gain against possible long-term losses.

Alright, but we're going backwards in time now.. There are now hundreds of cases in Cleveland..1000's in Boston area.
If and when Norwalk re-opens, new cases will have gone down. Still, it would be difficult to pinpoint the exact time and place of contact. That's not to say some lawyer wouldn't try it.
Mr Bader's insurance companies and lawyers would have to make the call.
We could do "what ifs" and "supposin's" until next year .
By that time , Trump's economy would be in shambles. I'd hate to see that.
That's probably the difference between you and I.

[Lenny5160]

I don't worry about maintaining proper social distancing at the race track, but at the same time, I haven't touched a gas pump handle in over a month. On a typical race weekend, I'm filling the motorhome, filling gas cans, buying a bag of ice. People from all over the region will be intermingling at various points along the way.

It seems that the liability could be enormous, and a bigger threat to the track's future than just remaining closed under federal or state guidelines.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

It seems that the liability could be enormous, and a bigger threat to the track's future than just remaining closed under federal or state guidelines.

The liability could extend to anyone with whom he has a business relationship in operating the track. Sponsors. Sanctioning bodies. Insurance companies.

[Dwight Southerland]

Do what you want to do. Liberty. The government is not smart enough to know how to protect people from themselves. Since the survival rate is around 98%, just catching the disease is not terminal. Don't be foolish (hard for some people), but don't live in fear because your sensibilities are being bombarded constantly with a single message.

[Carguy49]

I live in Washington and things are a little difficult until May 4th, at least. In some areas things might be able to happen using common sense. If social distancing is encouraged and everyone stays safe small events could possibly happen. It definitely depends on the area and what the guidelines are for that area. Stay safe and healthy my friends.