Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

oldskool · 08-09-2020, 07:50 PM

Breaker !!!

I must make an apology to a long time Pontiac racer, who has raced the same Pontiac for a long time. I don't know when he started racing it. Maybe somebody can tell us.

And, I apologize to the Pontiac fans who knew about this car/racer, & wondered why I have not said more about it.

I've seen his name on Q-lists, in recent years. But, I suppose that because the times he ran were not very impressive, I just never thought to look for the car in the older records, until today. I am very thankful for all the race records that are available on DRC !

The car is a '74 Grand Am. The owner/driver name is Don Elgin. He raced in most of the div 6 races, & the nat event held up there every year.

They show up on DRC, in 1998. The class was N/SA. The index was 13.30, back then. He ran 12.20's at lots of races. Obviously, all those 12.20's times showed up as being more than a sec under.

I don't have a clue what the best ever ET was. But, so far, I did find this 12.132, which was 1.168 under, & good enuff for #2 position on that list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

7/30/99 - Northwest Nats - #2 - 1.088 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

7/28/00 - NW Nats - #2 - 1.095 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

7/27/01 - NW Nats - #8 - 1.001 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

When NHRA reduced the N/SA index from 13.30 down to 13.00, Don instantly lost .30, for qualifying. This '15 Q-list is a perfect example. The 12.155 would have been more than a sec under, which would have qualified near the top of most lists. But, with the 13.30 index, his time was only .845 under.

7/18/15 - div 6-4 - #18 - 12.155 - index 13.00 - .845 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

It appears that he just sorta backed off, at most races & ran 12.40's - 12.60's. I suppose there are not too many N/SA entries in most of the races he runs, therefore heads-up performance is not a big issue. At last years NW Nats, he actually qualified slightly above Brad Burton. Both cars were the only cars in their class.

8/2/19 - NW Nats - #25 - 12.401 - .599 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

The 1st time I ever saw Don on a Q-list was probably in around 2014 or maybe even 2015. So, his index was already 13.00. That's why his times did not impress me that much. Unless I missed something, I think I saw his name on the NW Nats Q-list every year except for one, from 1998 thru 2019. That's a pretty good attendance record. Anybody know when he 1st began racing the GA ?

Many here are by now very familiar with Don's GA. It is quite unique, & has LOTS of racing decals on it. Hey, I use to jokingly say that "Every decal adds at least 1 horsepower". Nowadays, some racers seem to want their race car to look more like a street or show car, & refuse to put any decals on 'em. As I've probably said here, I like for a race car to look like one. If I wanna see a show car, I can go to a local car show. Opinions differ.

oldskool · 08-10-2020, 04:48 PM

For some of you guys who know the history of recently raced '77-'78 Firebirds, I have a question.

Here is a Q-list with 5 Birds listed here as '78 models. The 1st one is listed as Don Holmes. So, I assume Rob Holmes still has that Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

What about the other 4 ? Can anybody here give the history of any or all these Birds ? I realize that some or maybe even all these cars have been mentioned here before. But, I like to know who built the cars & all who have raced 'em.

They are:

(1) #4 Dave Edwards

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

(2) #64 Mike Morgan

(3) #65 Dave Batta

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

(4) #72 Michael Moyer

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

Mike Morgan is listed with a '76 Bird, the following year. So, I suppose he could have just changed out the necessary body parts. But, I have no idea whether he sold his '78 or changed it over to a '76.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

Just an observation: I noticed that the Don Holmes & Dave Edwards Birds were at or very near the top of quite a few Q-lists, during that time period.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

Mark Yacavone · 08-11-2020, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

For some of you guys who know the history of recently raced '77-'78 Firebirds, I have a question.

Here is a Q-list with 5 Birds listed here as '78 models. The 1st one is listed as Don Holmes. So, I assume Rob Holmes still has that Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

What about the other 4 ? Can anybody here give the history of any or all these Birds ? I realize that some or maybe even all these cars have been mentioned here before. But, I like to know who built the cars & all who have raced 'em.

They are:

(1) #4 Dave Edwards

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

(2) #64 Mike Morgan

(3) #65 Dave Batta

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

(4) #72 Michael Moyer

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

Mike Morgan is listed with a '76 Bird, the following year. So, I suppose he could have just changed out the necessary body parts. But, I have no idea whether he sold his '78 or changed it over to a '76.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

Just an observation: I noticed that the Don Holmes & Dave Edwards Birds were at or very near the top of quite a few Q-lists, during that time period.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

1, Bob Michael car, as was / is the Don /Rob Holmes car. Two different cars.

2, Not sure, but I believe Mike converted it from a 77-78

3, My old car. I built it from a 78 T-A. donated sponsor body, as was told in the mag. articles. I changed it to a Formula.
I sold it to Dean Ribiero , who sold it to Dave Batta, who sold it to ??? ( I'll let him come forward, if he wants to)

4, not sure

oldskool · 08-12-2020, 12:17 AM

Thanks for that info Mark !

"1, Bob Michael car, as was / is the Don /Rob Holmes car. Two different cars...

OK, that means that Bob Michael owned both cars, then sold one to Don Holmes, then sold one to Dave Edwards.

So, does anybody here know what became of the Dave Edwards Bird ?

I assume that Dave Edwards Bird is the one that Bob Michael won M/SA with, @ the 1998 US Nats ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

And, from what Mark said, I assume that same car is the one that Dave Edwards won L/SA with, at the 2000 US Nats ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

On that same Stock class winner's list is Don Holmes with the K/SA win, & Danny Ashley, with the N/SA win.

These were some strong running Pontiac Stockers, for their time period. I was busy with life, back then, & not keeping up with racing. But I'm enjoying learning about these cars, now !

PS: While lookin back at some of my race records, I found that Michael Moyer is still racing a '78 Bird. It was on the list from the recent div 6 race. So, is it the same car that was on that list I linked ?

#17 @ .821 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

oldskool · 08-12-2020, 12:57 AM

Adding to my confusion, from my last post, I'll just go ahead & add the names of these guys who I know drove '77-'78 Birds.

So, combining the 5 Birds from my last post, together with the Birds these guys drove, how many different Birds were there ?

Bill Edgeworth
Tommy Pettigrew
Tibor Kadar
Paul Dilcher
Dave Ribeiro
The Biondo Racing '77-'78 Bird

Hey, maybe some of you guys know of others who ran '77-'78 Stocker Birds, besides those I've mentioned ? Post that info & we'll add 'em to the mix.

I've learned that the Paul Dilcher Bird now belongs to Chad Smith. Hope that's correct.

Anybody know of decent '77-'78 Stocker Birds that are now sitting idle, not being raced ?

I suppose I need to start some written files on each Bird, with all it's owners/drivers & history. Just too much to keep up with from memory(at least from my memory).

It would help a LOT, if the search function on this site worked real good. For me, it's one of the worst I've run across. Most of the results I get have absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the search.

While I'm on site problems, recently, I get automatically logged out after about an hour.

I click on the "Remember Me ?" block, which I thought was/is supposed to keep me logged in, til I log out. In the past, if I forgot to log out, I'd still be logged in the next time I came to the site. But, as mentioned, can't stay logged in very long now. Anybody else having this problem ?

oldskool · 08-13-2020, 12:44 AM

OK, here's another attempt to get some of these Pontiacs & drivers all straight, at least in my mind. I realize that for most any car/driver I mention, there will be somebody here who knows the driver & the history of the car.

Therefore, as always, if I get some of the facts wrong, somebody who knows the correct facts, please post the correct info. You won't hurt my feelings, cause I realize that I know very little about the history of most of the cars & drivers mentioned in this thread.

This post is about the '74 Grand Am that Danny Ashley raced, back in the late '90's/early 2000's.

After searching thru some DRC files, the earliest I spotted it was in June of '99, @ the Sears Craftsman Nats. He won the N/SA class there.

6/24/99 - Sears Nats - #22 - .857 under - N/SA Winner

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

10/1/99 - Topeka Advance Nats - #23 - .952 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

8/31/00 - US Nats - #15 - 1.107 under - N/SA winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

Then I find a '74 GA with Mike McGinley as the driver. Same car ?

Mike qualified in the upper portion of a lot of Q-lists, with the car.

5/17/03 - div 3-2 - #27 - .998 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

8/28/03 - US Nats - #97 - .943 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

9/20/03 - div 3-6 - #28 - 1.021 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

9/3/04 - US Nats - #40 - 1.128 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...BpYKQY-&GI_ID=

Then by 2012, Mike is driving something else & Don Turk is listed driving a '74 GA. Same car ?

4/28/12 - div 3-1 - #48 - .734 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

9/25/15 - Midwest Nats - #8 - .943 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

9/3/16 - US Nats - N/SA Class Winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Then Don put it up for sale, & more recently it has been driven by Logan Galbraith. So, I assume this is the same car, with at least 4 different drivers. Is this correct ?

5/7/19 - div 3 - Won Stock !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

8/30/19 - US Nats - #75 - 1.037 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

Not complete. Will continue.

TD3506 · 08-13-2020, 08:23 AM

oldskool thank you for the above post.

Yes Logan is the 4th owner of this awesome 1974 Grand Am. Not sure what the N/SA index has been over the years but @ 13.00 since we have owned the car I believe the 2019 US Nationals 1.03 under is its first pass in the 11's which we are really proud of. Tons of Midwest Pontiac guys have helped us with the car... Don, Todd, and many others including some I'm not allowed to mention

In addition to what you've already listed Logan also won a Wally in it at last years National Open @ Ohio Valley as well as a Class Elim win at this years Belle Rose Divisional where it had a string of passes in the mid 11.90's (wow that was some good air).

You probably wont see it out much for a bit because Logan enlisted in the USMC and is currently in week 6 of Boot Camp in San Diego. I appreciate it being included in the discussion of best pontiac stockers... dont know about "best" but it's a good one for sure! Thanks again. I'll print your post and mail it to Logan today.

Troy Galbraith

oldskool · 08-13-2020, 03:41 PM

Well, Logan certainly has my sympathy, during his time in boot camp !

I went thru 8 weeks of basic & 8 weeks of Army infantry AIT, at Fort Polk, Louisiana, back in 1970.

To say the very least, it was an experience I'll never forget. It didn't make me wanna kill enemy soldiers. It made me wanna kill some drill sergeants.

When I 1st got there, it was in the middle of the Summer. Hey ya'll, it's HOT in Louisiana, in the middle of the Summer. While in the reception station area, they put us in old barracks that were built during WWII. No AC.

The buildings had 2 floors. I was put on the top floor. There was a big fan at one end. But it didn't work. Don't know exactly what the temp was on that top floor. But it was WELL over 100°, in the afternoon. Probably didn't drop below 90° 'til after midnight. I remember sweating 'til I soaked my sheets & mattress. Then I'd take 'em all down to the shower, & take a shower WITH the sheets & mattress. The wet bedding provided some relief from the heat, for a few minutes, usually enuff so I could go to sleep.

While there, we all got the same nice haircut. Hey, for you older guys, do ya'll remember guy's hairstyles, in 1970 ? Many of those guys had shoulder length hair, standing outside the barbershop. But, when they came out, everybody had the same length hair - VERY short. And, to rub it in, we'd be marched down to the barbershop EVERY week, to get another haircut. And we had to pay for 'em, out of our meager pay.

After our time in the reception station, we were sent to our basic training company. That's when the fun really began.

I can truly say that was the most miserable experience of my life. Some guys seem to love the military life, & even make a career out of it. I hated almost every minute of my military experience.

I know this probably ain't the place for my rant. But, it was such a traumatic experience for me that even after all these years, any reminder of that experience brings up lots of bad memories of a very unpleasant experience. I could go on & on about some of that stuff, but I'll stop.

THANKS to all who have served, are serving, & especially to those who have seen combat duty ! As the saying goes, "Freedom ain't free.". Somebody has to pay for it, so that the rest of us can enjoy it. Throughout our history, there have always been some willing to pay the price. Sadly, some have had to pay more than others.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

bob3240 · 08-13-2020, 06:08 PM

Mr. Old School, Bob Michael here; sorry I haven't chimed in sooner. I really appreciate all the research you've done!

The Dave Edwards car was sold to Tony Goodman, then to David Horne if that helps.
We're in process of building a 1962 Super Duty motor for my car
A friend out west has already has his '62 going down the track in D/SA
Thanks again, I'll try to answer your questions sooner

08-12-2020, 12:57 AM	#5
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Adding to my confusion, from my last post, I'll just go ahead & add the names of these guys who I know drove '77-'78 Birds. So, combining the 5 Birds from my last post, together with the Birds these guys drove, how many different Birds were there ? Bill Edgeworth Tommy Pettigrew Tibor Kadar Paul Dilcher Dave Ribeiro The Biondo Racing '77-'78 Bird Hey, maybe some of you guys know of others who ran '77-'78 Stocker Birds, besides those I've mentioned ? Post that info & we'll add 'em to the mix. I've learned that the Paul Dilcher Bird now belongs to Chad Smith. Hope that's correct. Anybody know of decent '77-'78 Stocker Birds that are now sitting idle, not being raced ? I suppose I need to start some written files on each Bird, with all it's owners/drivers & history. Just too much to keep up with from memory(at least from my memory). It would help a LOT, if the search function on this site worked real good. For me, it's one of the worst I've run across. Most of the results I get have absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the search. While I'm on site problems, recently, I get automatically logged out after about an hour. I click on the "Remember Me ?" block, which I thought was/is supposed to keep me logged in, til I log out. In the past, if I forgot to log out, I'd still be logged in the next time I came to the site. But, as mentioned, can't stay logged in very long now. Anybody else having this problem ? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-12-2020 at 06:54 AM.

08-09-2020, 07:50 PM	#1
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Breaker !!! I must make an apology to a long time Pontiac racer, who has raced the same Pontiac for a long time. I don't know when he started racing it. Maybe somebody can tell us. And, I apologize to the Pontiac fans who knew about this car/racer, & wondered why I have not said more about it. I've seen his name on Q-lists, in recent years. But, I suppose that because the times he ran were not very impressive, I just never thought to look for the car in the older records, until today. I am very thankful for all the race records that are available on DRC ! The car is a '74 Grand Am. The owner/driver name is Don Elgin. He raced in most of the div 6 races, & the nat event held up there every year. They show up on DRC, in 1998. The class was N/SA. The index was 13.30, back then. He ran 12.20's at lots of races. Obviously, all those 12.20's times showed up as being more than a sec under. I don't have a clue what the best ever ET was. But, so far, I did find this 12.132, which was 1.168 under, & good enuff for #2 position on that list. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 7/30/99 - Northwest Nats - #2 - 1.088 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop 7/28/00 - NW Nats - #2 - 1.095 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop 7/27/01 - NW Nats - #8 - 1.001 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop When NHRA reduced the N/SA index from 13.30 down to 13.00, Don instantly lost .30, for qualifying. This '15 Q-list is a perfect example. The 12.155 would have been more than a sec under, which would have qualified near the top of most lists. But, with the 13.30 index, his time was only .845 under. 7/18/15 - div 6-4 - #18 - 12.155 - index 13.00 - .845 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop It appears that he just sorta backed off, at most races & ran 12.40's - 12.60's. I suppose there are not too many N/SA entries in most of the races he runs, therefore heads-up performance is not a big issue. At last years NW Nats, he actually qualified slightly above Brad Burton. Both cars were the only cars in their class. 8/2/19 - NW Nats - #25 - 12.401 - .599 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop The 1st time I ever saw Don on a Q-list was probably in around 2014 or maybe even 2015. So, his index was already 13.00. That's why his times did not impress me that much. Unless I missed something, I think I saw his name on the NW Nats Q-list every year except for one, from 1998 thru 2019. That's a pretty good attendance record. Anybody know when he 1st began racing the GA ? Many here are by now very familiar with Don's GA. It is quite unique, & has LOTS of racing decals on it. Hey, I use to jokingly say that "Every decal adds at least 1 horsepower". Nowadays, some racers seem to want their race car to look more like a street or show car, & refuse to put any decals on 'em. As I've probably said here, I like for a race car to look like one. If I wanna see a show car, I can go to a local car show. Opinions differ. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-10-2020 at 12:28 AM.

08-10-2020, 04:48 PM	#2
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers For some of you guys who know the history of recently raced '77-'78 Firebirds, I have a question. Here is a Q-list with 5 Birds listed here as '78 models. The 1st one is listed as Don Holmes. So, I assume Rob Holmes still has that Bird. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop What about the other 4 ? Can anybody here give the history of any or all these Birds ? I realize that some or maybe even all these cars have been mentioned here before. But, I like to know who built the cars & all who have raced 'em. They are: (1) #4 Dave Edwards https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch (2) #64 Mike Morgan (3) #65 Dave Batta https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch (4) #72 Michael Moyer https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch Mike Morgan is listed with a '76 Bird, the following year. So, I suppose he could have just changed out the necessary body parts. But, I have no idea whether he sold his '78 or changed it over to a '76. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop Just an observation: I noticed that the Don Holmes & Dave Edwards Birds were at or very near the top of quite a few Q-lists, during that time period. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop Last edited by oldskool; 08-11-2020 at 12:24 AM.

08-12-2020, 12:17 AM	#4
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Thanks for that info Mark ! "1, Bob Michael car, as was / is the Don /Rob Holmes car. Two different cars... OK, that means that Bob Michael owned both cars, then sold one to Don Holmes, then sold one to Dave Edwards. So, does anybody here know what became of the Dave Edwards Bird ? I assume that Dave Edwards Bird is the one that Bob Michael won M/SA with, @ the 1998 US Nats ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop And, from what Mark said, I assume that same car is the one that Dave Edwards won L/SA with, at the 2000 US Nats ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop On that same Stock class winner's list is Don Holmes with the K/SA win, & Danny Ashley, with the N/SA win. These were some strong running Pontiac Stockers, for their time period. I was busy with life, back then, & not keeping up with racing. But I'm enjoying learning about these cars, now ! PS: While lookin back at some of my race records, I found that Michael Moyer is still racing a '78 Bird. It was on the list from the recent div 6 race. So, is it the same car that was on that list I linked ? #17 @ .821 under https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop Last edited by oldskool; 08-12-2020 at 06:41 AM.

08-13-2020, 12:44 AM	#6
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers OK, here's another attempt to get some of these Pontiacs & drivers all straight, at least in my mind. I realize that for most any car/driver I mention, there will be somebody here who knows the driver & the history of the car. Therefore, as always, if I get some of the facts wrong, somebody who knows the correct facts, please post the correct info. You won't hurt my feelings, cause I realize that I know very little about the history of most of the cars & drivers mentioned in this thread. This post is about the '74 Grand Am that Danny Ashley raced, back in the late '90's/early 2000's. After searching thru some DRC files, the earliest I spotted it was in June of '99, @ the Sears Craftsman Nats. He won the N/SA class there. 6/24/99 - Sears Nats - #22 - .857 under - N/SA Winner https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop 10/1/99 - Topeka Advance Nats - #23 - .952 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop 8/31/00 - US Nats - #15 - 1.107 under - N/SA winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop Then I find a '74 GA with Mike McGinley as the driver. Same car ? Mike qualified in the upper portion of a lot of Q-lists, with the car. 5/17/03 - div 3-2 - #27 - .998 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 8/28/03 - US Nats - #97 - .943 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 9/20/03 - div 3-6 - #28 - 1.021 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 9/3/04 - US Nats - #40 - 1.128 under https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...BpYKQY-&GI_ID= Then by 2012, Mike is driving something else & Don Turk is listed driving a '74 GA. Same car ? 4/28/12 - div 3-1 - #48 - .734 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop 9/25/15 - Midwest Nats - #8 - .943 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop 9/3/16 - US Nats - N/SA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop Then Don put it up for sale, & more recently it has been driven by Logan Galbraith. So, I assume this is the same car, with at least 4 different drivers. Is this correct ? 5/7/19 - div 3 - Won Stock ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop 8/30/19 - US Nats - #75 - 1.037 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch Not complete. Will continue. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-13-2020 at 02:26 AM.

08-13-2020, 08:23 AM	#7
TD3506 Junior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 20 Likes: 0 Liked 35 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers oldskool thank you for the above post. Yes Logan is the 4th owner of this awesome 1974 Grand Am. Not sure what the N/SA index has been over the years but @ 13.00 since we have owned the car I believe the 2019 US Nationals 1.03 under is its first pass in the 11's which we are really proud of. Tons of Midwest Pontiac guys have helped us with the car... Don, Todd, and many others including some I'm not allowed to mention In addition to what you've already listed Logan also won a Wally in it at last years National Open @ Ohio Valley as well as a Class Elim win at this years Belle Rose Divisional where it had a string of passes in the mid 11.90's (wow that was some good air). You probably wont see it out much for a bit because Logan enlisted in the USMC and is currently in week 6 of Boot Camp in San Diego. I appreciate it being included in the discussion of best pontiac stockers... dont know about "best" but it's a good one for sure! Thanks again. I'll print your post and mail it to Logan today. Troy Galbraith

08-13-2020, 03:41 PM	#8
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Well, Logan certainly has my sympathy, during his time in boot camp ! I went thru 8 weeks of basic & 8 weeks of Army infantry AIT, at Fort Polk, Louisiana, back in 1970. To say the very least, it was an experience I'll never forget. It didn't make me wanna kill enemy soldiers. It made me wanna kill some drill sergeants. When I 1st got there, it was in the middle of the Summer. Hey ya'll, it's HOT in Louisiana, in the middle of the Summer. While in the reception station area, they put us in old barracks that were built during WWII. No AC. The buildings had 2 floors. I was put on the top floor. There was a big fan at one end. But it didn't work. Don't know exactly what the temp was on that top floor. But it was WELL over 100°, in the afternoon. Probably didn't drop below 90° 'til after midnight. I remember sweating 'til I soaked my sheets & mattress. Then I'd take 'em all down to the shower, & take a shower WITH the sheets & mattress. The wet bedding provided some relief from the heat, for a few minutes, usually enuff so I could go to sleep. While there, we all got the same nice haircut. Hey, for you older guys, do ya'll remember guy's hairstyles, in 1970 ? Many of those guys had shoulder length hair, standing outside the barbershop. But, when they came out, everybody had the same length hair - VERY short. And, to rub it in, we'd be marched down to the barbershop EVERY week, to get another haircut. And we had to pay for 'em, out of our meager pay. After our time in the reception station, we were sent to our basic training company. That's when the fun really began. I can truly say that was the most miserable experience of my life. Some guys seem to love the military life, & even make a career out of it. I hated almost every minute of my military experience. I know this probably ain't the place for my rant. But, it was such a traumatic experience for me that even after all these years, any reminder of that experience brings up lots of bad memories of a very unpleasant experience. I could go on & on about some of that stuff, but I'll stop. THANKS to all who have served, are serving, & especially to those who have seen combat duty ! As the saying goes, "Freedom ain't free.". Somebody has to pay for it, so that the rest of us can enjoy it. Throughout our history, there have always been some willing to pay the price. Sadly, some have had to pay more than others. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-13-2020 at 04:07 PM.

08-13-2020, 06:08 PM	#9
bob3240 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: lebanon ohio Posts: 251 Likes: 3 Liked 16 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Mr. Old School, Bob Michael here; sorry I haven't chimed in sooner. I really appreciate all the research you've done! The Dave Edwards car was sold to Tony Goodman, then to David Horne if that helps. We're in process of building a 1962 Super Duty motor for my car A friend out west has already has his '62 going down the track in D/SA Thanks again, I'll try to answer your questions sooner