Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

At the '60 Nats in Detroit, Jim Wangers won his class & Frank Barnett won A/SA. I think Jim won overall "Mr. Stock Elimunator".

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At the '61 Winter Nats, Allen Hart won D/S, & Bob Battelle won C/SA.

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Ney Oldskool - would you have a pic of Hart’s or Battelle’s cars?

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Ney Oldskool - would you have a pic of Hart’s or Battelle’s cars?

No. Not familiar with those names.

But, they were CA cars. So, if I was gonna make a serious effort to dig up more info on 'em, I'd contact someone with ties to Pontiac racing in that area & time period.

With that in mind, I'd try to contact Tommy Brown. I think I read that he is kin to Gene Brown. As you may know, Gene ran a '58 Pontiac & was also associated with Ramon Lowe, who ran several Pontiacs.

I don't have contact info for Tommy. He may have seen some of those old guys run. Don't know his age. He runs a '74 Lemans Stocker.

For contact info about current, and maybe some older Pontiac racers in CA, I'd contact Leo Glasbrenner @ Remac Transmissions. When I called, he was there & gave me all the info I asked for.

John Schloe is an older, long time Pontiac racer, who may have seen those guys race. May have even raced with 'em. He & his son Ryan still race Pontiac Stockers.

Then there is the Aceves Family. Bob Aceves ran a real strong '68 Bird Stocker, up until a very few years ago. I talked to his brother, or one of the Aceves guys to see if that car was for sale. They are older guys, therefore may know some of the older Pontiac racers.

Art Peterson is an older guy who has been racing the same '69 GTO in SS, for a long time. He probably knows lots of the older CA racers.

Another older long time Pontiac racer is Lindy Lindholm. Have a pic of his '58, way back in the old days.

Larry Maxwell is another long time Pontiac guy, who is still racing.

And, there's John Angeles. He's had drag Pontiacs for years, & co-wrote a couple of Pontiac books. Don't have his contact info. But his daughter Keri has been driving the '69 SS Bird for many years. Here's a link to her FB page. She may have contact info for a LOT of CA Pontiac racers. Probably knew 'em all for the last 30 years or more.

https://www.facebook.com/keri.pari

That should get you some leads. Among all these people there is probably someone who saw those guys race, or knows someone who did. May be able to track down some relatives who may still have pics of the cars.

I ASSUME the NHRA division 7 office MIGHT give you contact info for current div seven permanent number holders, if you tell 'em why you need the info. Not sure tho.

In case you need 'em, here are the last perm numbers I have for some of the CA Pontiac drivers.

Keri Angeles Pari - #788

Art Peterson - #7318

Lindy Lindholm #754

John Schloe - #7003

Tommy Brown - #7265

Bob Aceves - #746

Larry Maxwell - #770

[rick winchester]

Ken Shawver was driving a Olds cutlass when he won the Nationals , I think it is still owned By Greg Fulk from Ohio.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by rick winchester

Ken Shawver was driving a Olds cutlass when he won the Nationals , I think it is still owned By Greg Fulk from Ohio.

Sorry to hear that, but thanks for the correct info.

I just ASSUMED that maybe he was driving the T-37, since I know he did race it, then later ran a '78 T/A for many years.

But, I realize that lots of guys drive more than one brand of drag car.

I discovered that long time Pontiac racer, Jack Mullins, did pretty good with an old, Olds, before he was famous for his big Pontiac wagon.

When you look up old race results, many times all you get is the driver's name. That makes it pretty tuff to know EXACTLY what they were driving at that particular race.

Another problem I've run into is with the 2nd gen Birds, especially '77 & '78 models. A '78 I'd mentioned turned out to be 403 Olds powered. And recently, a '77 that had been running Pontiac power for a long time was switched over to sbc power.

What's really tuff is figuring out what engine a GT SS car has. Just last year, I discovered a couple that had Pontiac power, which I was not aware of.

[TGould]

Originally Posted by rick winchester

Ken Shawver was driving a Olds cutlass when he won the Nationals , I think it is still owned By Greg Fulk from Ohio.

That car was sold to Chip Johnson several years ago and is now owned by Daren-Poole Adams (Gump) and driven by Chip Johnson.

[oldskool]

Factor Finder Info !

A guy with a '72 FF, sent me this Pontiac info. It is not what I was expecting.

MOST of the popular engines commonly used for racing were not mentioned.

I Emailed him some questions, like, did the book say that all engines not mentioned would use factory hp rating ?

And, were there any numbers for '66, '67, & '68 Pontiac engines ?

Do any of you guys have the hp factor info which NHRA published in the mid '70's.

Would also like to get the factors for the popular Pontiac engines which NHRA published around 1980.

That would have given NHRA a few years to evaluate the Pontiac combos that were running quick.

There MUST have been certain Pontiac combos which got hits. That's all I'm trying to find out.

(1) Which Pontiac combos got hit ?

(2) Exactly WHEN did they get hit ?

(3) What was the old factor & the new one ?

These seem like simple questions. But apparently the answers are EXTREMELY hard to get.

It sometimes seems that all this old info has just disappeared.

Or maybe it does exist, but it would take the right person having access to it, in order to publish it on a forum, or somewhere else on the net.

It's just a bit frustrating sometimes when so much info is available these days but some of this old info doesn't seem to exist.

So, one more time. Does anybody reading this have access to NHRA hp factors, which they published in any or all the years from '75-'80 ???

I you don't, do you know someone who does, that would be willing to look up some factors for me ???

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Factor Finder Info !

A guy with a '72 FF, sent me this Pontiac info. It is not what I was expecting.

MOST of the popular engines commonly used for racing were not mentioned.

I Emailed him some questions, like, did the book say that all engines not mentioned would use factory hp rating ?

And, were there any numbers for '66, '67, & '68 Pontiac engines ?

Do any of you guys have the hp factor info which NHRA published in the mid '70's.

Would also like to get the factors for the popular Pontiac engines which NHRA published around 1980.

That would have given NHRA a few years to evaluate the Pontiac combos that were running quick.

There MUST have been certain Pontiac combos which got hits. That's all I'm trying to find out.

(1) Which Pontiac combos got hit ?

(2) Exactly WHEN did they get hit ?

(3) What was the old factor & the new one ?

These seem like simple questions. But apparently the answers are EXTREMELY hard to get.

It sometimes seems that all this old info has just disappeared.

Or maybe it does exist, but it would take the right person having access to it, in order to publish it on a forum, or somewhere else on the net.

It's just a bit frustrating sometimes when so much info is available these days but some of this old info doesn't seem to exist.

So, one more time. Does anybody reading this have access to NHRA hp factors, which they published in any or all the years from '75-'80 ???

I you don't, do you know someone who does, that would be willing to look up some factors for me ???

Can you post up what information he sent to you?


Stan

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Can you post up what information he sent to you?


Stan

It's pictured in the attached thumbnail above. That's all he sent. I Emailed him back and asked some more questions. He said he'd look & see if there is anything else about Pontiac engines.