combo killers

[J.R. Haddad]

Guys and gals, a lot of merit for people that think outside the box. One
question I had was for heads up runs. IE, Lyn and I both have '73 Centurys
and he goes -1.30 under, and I don't. Now I can go -1.20 under, and I want to beat him in the final of a national event. it's a heads up race, so where
is Lynn's penalty. I want it to be heads up. So I think it might make more
sense to penalize Lyn the horsepower he got, lets say 10 H.P. and carry
on. So instead of 1200 Stock Racers all having their own personal index,
the affected Combo Killer might have a higher HP factor. So Lynn might be at 285 HP x 12:00 ibs. and the rest of us with the same combo would be
274 HP. So Lynn would weigh 3590 and the rest of us would weigh
3458.

J.R.

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

Guys and gals, a lot of merit for people that think outside the box. One
question I had was for heads up runs. IE, Lyn and I both have '73 Centurys
and he goes -1.30 under, and I don't. Now I can go -1.20 under, and I want to beat him in the final of a national event. it's a heads up race, so where
is Lynn's penalty. I want it to be heads up. So I think it might make more
sense to penalize Lyn the horsepower he got, lets say 10 H.P. and carry
on. So instead of 1200 Stock Racers all having their own personal index,
the affected Combo Killer might have a higher HP factor. So Lynn might be at 285 HP x 12:00 ibs. and the rest of us with the same combo would be
274 HP. So Lynn would weigh 3590 and the rest of us would weigh
3458.

J.R.

I have to disagree, this would just ruin stock and super stock. Might as well just go bracket or .90 racing. Wait I already did that.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

Guys and gals, a lot of merit for people that think outside the box. One
question I had was for heads up runs. IE, Lyn and I both have '73 Centurys
and he goes -1.30 under, and I don't. Now I can go -1.20 under, and I want to beat him in the final of a national event. it's a heads up race, so where
is Lynn's penalty. I want it to be heads up. So I think it might make more
sense to penalize Lyn the horsepower he got, lets say 10 H.P. and carry
on. So instead of 1200 Stock Racers all having their own personal index,
the affected Combo Killer might have a higher HP factor. So Lynn might be at 285 HP x 12:00 ibs. and the rest of us with the same combo would be
274 HP. So Lynn would weigh 3590 and the rest of us would weigh
3458.

J.R.

J.R. , You've been here long enough to know the solution...
If Lyn can go that fast, then you can too.. You just need to work harder, and spend more money...Lot and lots more money. ;-)

[J.R. Haddad]

Mark, I agree. I dislike both ideas. I was trying to show why we couldn't
have personal indexes as they have in Comp because we would lose
heads up runs. We never know who reads these posts, and some
keener might run back to the office, looking for brownie points, and
burst in the office saying" Look what I came up with". If it's a bad day,
and their boss likes it, we could be in trouble. I merely try to present
the better way to go in a bad scenario. Remember, making it equal and
easier for everyone is how we got the index system.

J.R.

[James Perrone]

If you slo pokes would run the right class
YOU WONT GET HP.
STOP with personal index
This is what Nhra wants HP to be given
Players play the game …losers complain

[James Hensler]

I love reading all of this! Everyone sounds like my fellow SS A/H racers! All mad about 1 guy dominating! If he can you can bottom line!

[Dan Bennett]

Probably an unpopular opinion and I have no skin in the game other than loving stock and super stock since the first race I ever attended back in the 60s.

The NHRA has successfully run a scam that turned a performance class into a bracket class. So many here want to be able to win races solely with shoe polish instead of just being the fastest car at the track.


I'll admit my viewpoint is probably concentrated in those of a certain age - where going to one of the few nationals on the schedule had me standing in awe looking at a car with 'national record holder" painted on - and even more so when there was a string of years listed. No, it didn't matter what class it was. It was motivation for me to recognize the skills involved and to work that much harder to get closer to that status.

I also admit that the horse left the barn a long time ago and I understand playing the cards you're dealt. But sorry, I will always admire the racer who does what ever they can to be the best and then maximizes their investment and enjoys that every pass down the track.

Lots of guys here in the past have mentioned participation trophies with disgust. Somehow this whole thing of "they have more money than me" and "I don't have a chance to win" seems a lot like that process.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett

Probably an unpopular opinion and I have no skin in the game other than loving stock and super stock since the first race I ever attended back in the 60s.

The NHRA has successfully run a scam that turned a performance class into a bracket class. So many here want to be able to win races solely with shoe polish instead of just being the fastest car at the track.


I'll admit my viewpoint is probably concentrated in those of a certain age - where going to one of the few nationals on the schedule had me standing in awe looking at a car with 'national record holder" painted on - and even more so when there was a string of years listed. No, it didn't matter what class it was. It was motivation for me to recognize the skills involved and to work that much harder to get closer to that status.

I will always admire the racer who does what ever they can to be the best and then maximizes their investment and enjoys that every pass down the track.

Somehow this whole thing of "they have more money than me" and "I don't have a chance to win" seems a lot like that process.

4. Build a combo which fits into a class that doesn't have dozens of cars in it and own it!

Originally Posted by James Perrone

If you slo pokes would run the right class
YOU WONT GET HP.
STOP with personal index
This is what Nhra wants HP to be given
Players play the game …losers complain

Race it like you stole it!

[TERRY HEMBREE]

Here is the averages info for cars running the 325/396. Just got them from Pat C.

OA- .0828 21 triggers 178 runs
D- .778 0 triggers 74 runs
E-.865 21 triggers 98 runs
F-.842 0 triggers 6 runs