New shifter rule poll

[Sam Murray]

Originally Posted by Bill Grubbs

I speak for myself and not Brenda.

Well... This Bull$41t. If you cannot shift a stocker on your own you have no business racing stock eliminator. Brenda Shifts her... car on her own (once or possibly twice)... with the front wheels in the air. We were asked by a person/company to run an automated shifter/transmission in the 2000's. We passed on a this and never looked back.

I know it will piss a lot of people off (I speak for myself and not Brenda). I...I believe if you want to run and automated shifter you should have to run what came from the factory. (IE...a Factory ECU). We need to change for the sake of leveling the playing field.

Then there are the "it levels the playing field people." Once again Bull$41T. Fine.. lets go with that. Factory cars have CNC ported heads, some cars have blowers/turbos, some cars have EFI, some factory cars have Comp Eliminator styled pistons, some cars have shorter/longer wheelbases, some cars are smaller, some have more rear overhang, some cars have a plethora of engine choices, some cars are faster, have lighter pistons/rods/crankshafts, some have more cylinders, larger/smaller cylinders, some have better stroke/bore ratios. We need to change for the sake of leveling the playing field.

What about the stick racers... we should give them automated shifters for Lenco drives. I do not know of a stock eliminator stick driver that shifts with the clutch (except when driving around the pits). They tear up way more parts than any other drivers I know. I know one driver that had a trans repaired after...lets just say less than 50 runs. The bill was close to a new transmission. next time he will just order a new trans (granted their car is Bad ***** quick). We need to change for the sake of leveling the playing field.

Where will it stop? Do you have the money to keep up with the proverbial Jonses'. Maybe we should ask the advantaged racers to pay for the upgrades to the disadvantaged races program. You know for the sake of leveling the playing field

If this rule goes into effect...(and from what I am hearing is it has yet to be written in stone), I will begrudgingly adapt (given if it is what the driver wants). But where will the insanity end.

We can make changes for the sake of leveling the playing field, change the class to Bracket 1, and give out participation trophies...or we can race the car we choose (with all the warts, pimples, short cars, tall cars, skinny cars, fat cars, cars with small feet, cars with big feet, black cars , red cars, blue cars, yellow cars, or even white cars... you get to make the choice), and be happy!

Well said Bill, I don't agree with it either. But you know what I want to level the playing field, a rear suspension like the new cars have!

[Pete Lanciers]

Not only NO but &@$! NO!!!

[Dave Noll]

They have to shift Pro Stockers by hand. So for Stock, No electric/pneumatic.

[GarysZ24]

This post is intriguing to me, because if the shifters are allowed, then it'll be added to a growing list of parts legal on Stockers that weren't back in the '80's or '90's. What humors me more is when I look at the pure stock drag racing from Mid-America Raceway. They show muscle cars that run 14's and 15's in the quarter-mile. Interesting that my Z24 Cavalier ran a 17.55 @ Bandimere Speedway in October 1994, which at sea level would've been a 16.51. My point being cars that run 10's to 11's today (thanks to allowances many Stockers enjoy that weren't legal 30-40yrs ago), would've only been 2sec's (+/-) quicker than my so-called "slow car"!
When I ran that 17.55 "Shark Bait" 🦈, still had the power robbers in it, and was a street legal car itself!

Normally I would start a thread in honor of April being "Muscle Motor Month", but now that the FS ('er Factory Super-Charged) cars get to run in Stock, even the A‐D class cars have since become chasees, at the hands of mouse motor supercharged modern muscle cars!

Heck, even beyond the above modern day reality, I can compare my FWD car to Stockers back in the '70's and '80's, and Surprise Surprise, they didn't run 3-5sec.' quicker than my Cavalier, like they do nowadays!!!! 🤔

[Paul Precht]

Whether or not the new change happens, I'll still be pushing the same buttons I have been since 71.

[Greg Gay]

I vote NO.

[Run to Rund]

Another proposal to take stock farther from stock???
How about the 9x30 slicks that were first allowed in 1975, gee, that is 50 years ago. Should that be updated as well? How about 18x36 or thereabouts?

[Adub464Q]

I honestly do not care any way.

But I would truly like to see a sound argument against, other than saying it is not the way stock should be or has been over the years.

If that was the case, why were two steps allowed in the early 2000s? If you cannot footbrake your car, you should not be in stock.

The same logic from this thread could be applied to the two step argument but I do not hear anyone out hear beating the drum for disallowing two steps.

[Travis Buth]

I would be ok with the two steps getting taken away as well, at least for the Auto cars. I am fine with stick cars having a 2 step. Have the rules similar to sportsman class in that regard.

Originally Posted by Adub464Q

I honestly do not care any way.

But I would truly like to see a sound argument against, other than saying it is not the way stock should be or has been over the years.

If that was the case, why were two steps allowed in the early 2000s? If you cannot footbrake your car, you should not be in stock.

The same logic from this thread could be applied to the two step argument but I do not hear anyone out hear beating the drum for disallowing two steps.

[340Cuda]

Originally Posted by Paul Precht

Whether or not the new change happens, I'll still be pushing the same buttons I have been since 71.

Best shifter I have ever used...