Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll)

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

So the current hang up appears to be the transmission. Lets examine that.
There seems to be a want for the stock type of transmission case. So we
need a genuine Toyota Trans case. It can be done, no problem. We will
examine all the cases Toyota has produced for the last 20 years or so,
and settle on a few that appear to have approximately the same capacity
dimensions as a Metric 200, or a Turbo 350. The trans can then be sent
to any number of places, Pro Trans, Joel's, Coan, ATI, A-1, to have all of
todays aluminum drums, lightened gears, hardened shafts, etc. fitted to
the Toyota case. End result, a few thousand diehard, possibly anal, Stock
Racers( I include myself in that group) get to say, We showed him, he has
to run that Toyota trans. All we have done is put up one more barrier for
someone with the insight, foresight and intestinal fortitude to create this excellent idea, and instead of a transmission costing 10,000.00, it will be 20,000.00, but we will feel better. We are running our manufacturers cases, but we've got Chrysler, Ford, and Subaru derivative parts in them. But its in a stock appearing case. Who really cares? The stick cars run trans from 6 or 7 manufacturers, they don't resemble Muncies, Borg-Warners, Top-Loaders, or Chrysler crash boxes. The stick guys don't care, why do we?

J.R.

Since this Toyota/BMW/Ford/GM hybrid is supposed to be a Stock Eliminator car, I will not concern myself with the manual transmissions that Super Stock cars are allowed to run, but I can say that my Jericos very closely resembled a production Ford Toploader 4 speed, and my current G Force G101A 4 speed closely resembles a Borg Warner 4 speed, in both appearance, design, and function. The main benefit is the Jerico and G Force transmissions are stronger than the production transmissions, and like the automatics, are available with ratios more suitable for drag racing. Not to mention the last year that Ford installed a Toploader 4 speed in a production car was 1973, not 100 % positive, but I doubt that GM installed Muncies much later than that, same with MoPars A833, or the BW T10, which was only installed in some AMC cars, after Ford, GM, and Chrysler deemed the T10 too weak for their performance applications, so they all chose to invest in building their own 4 speed manual transmissions in the mid 60s.

[Dyno]

With the cars standard production weight of approximately 3400 lbs and a predicted hp rating at 325, I predict it will be a D, E and F class car. Now, if the car comes in at a lighter weight, which it should with the ability to remove all the emission equipment, wiring, etc., it could land as C, D or E. Turbo engines can make more power than you would expect, fun to see where it lands. Bets anyone!

[JP1738]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Just curious how many "younger racers" have the financial resources to be racing a a new Supra, Cobra Jet Mustang, COPO Camaro, or Drag Pak Challenger? The vast majority of late model factory race cars that I have seen, are owned by people that have gray (if any!) hair,

idk but not me lol. I'm 25 and it's all I can do to maintain a mediocre bracket car and an even more mediocre stocker.

[JP1738]

Originally Posted by Dyno

With the cars standard production weight of approximately 3400 lbs and a predicted hp rating at 325, I predict it will be a D, E and F class car. Now, if the car comes in at a lighter weight, which it should with the ability to remove all the emission equipment, wiring, etc., it could land as C, D or E. Turbo engines can make more power than you would expect, fun to see where it lands. Bets anyone!

I agree it will land in C/D/Eish and it will be fast. It won't be lightening fast to begin with as GUMP really has built a bone stock engine to start out with, but he doesn't build slow stuff either. I reckon it'll be capable of 1.00 under out the gates with way more potential down the road. Just my guess tho

[ken robinson]

Good luck at Indy with it . The GTO and the 340 cars in D & E/SA might be in for a surprise.

[Sgrossi7158]

Originally Posted by Dyno

With the cars standard production weight of approximately 3400 lbs and a predicted hp rating at 325, I predict it will be a D, E and F class car. Now, if the car comes in at a lighter weight, which it should with the ability to remove all the emission equipment, wiring, etc., it could land as C, D or E. Turbo engines can make more power than you would expect, fun to see where it lands. Bets anyone!

Why start with an arbitrary HP rating of 325. Why don’t we start out with the factory HP rating and let the AHFS work as designed?

[GTS340]

Originally Posted by Sgrossi7158

Why start with an arbitrary HP rating of 325. Why don?t we start out with the factory HP rating and let the AHFS work as designed?

I believe they gave all the newer cars about 15% off the advertized. Don't quote me on that. Same thing with the shipping weight. Not 15% but they will trim some off the 3411 lbs i would fair guess . I only know the Mopar side of it. They have they new challenger at 3600 lbs curb weight. That is about 300 lbs less than reality. See you at the races Sante.

Paul H

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Sgrossi7158

Why start with an arbitrary HP rating of 325. Why don?t we start out with the factory HP rating and let the AHFS work as designed?

That's a fair question. It's mostly because the NHRA published horespower rating no longer has anything to do with actual HP. Somewhere in time, it became a factor in the math to regulate the classes.

Due to standards that didn't exist in "The Way Back" the HP numbers that the manufacturers publish are much more honest than in the past. That would make them less than competetive in the world of NHRA Stock/SS racing.

[Sgrossi7158]

Originally Posted by GUMP

That's a fair question. It's mostly because the NHRA published horespower rating no longer has anything to do with actual HP. Somewhere in time, it became a factor in the math to regulate the classes.

Due to standards that didn't exist in "The Way Back" the HP numbers that the manufacturers publish are much more honest than in the past. That would make them less than competetive in the world of NHRA Stock/SS racing.

Daren, thank you for the response to my question. I think what you are doing in terms of adding an exciting new car/combination to Stock Eliminator is a good thing and your hard work should be commended. However, one does not have to look back too far to see the results of what I believe is over generous NHRA HP ratings related to new cars/combinations.
For example, 2010 INDY; 11 of the top 16 qualifiers were 2008-2010 entries.
2011 INDY; all top 16 qualifiers were 2008-2011 entries.

In my opinion, new cars/combinations in Stock Eliminator should be competitive, but they should not be dominating classes full of previous top qualifiers that have been flogging out there combinations for the past 20+ years.

[Pat6868]

When classified by hp vs weight, body aerodynamics can be an advantage, old vs new.