Another demonstartion of the new cars' absurdities...

[Mike Carr]

Just for the fun of it, I went back to Nitro Joe's End of the Year Stats from 2008 and 2009, for a comparison of new cars vs old cars.

The following are the best runs of that year for C, D, E and G/SA, NHRA and IHRA both, for the past two seasons. All HP as of the time the run was made.

Class Name Car Cid/HP ET Race
NHRA 2008
C/SA Cody Lane, '96 Corvette 350/330 10.386 Qualifying Woodburn D-6 race
D/SA Scott Burton, '71 Formula 455/340 10.513 Q Earlville Iowa, September
E/SA Ken Kopecky, '71 Demon 340/314 10.664 Q Dutch Classic Nat'l Open October
G/SA Jim Marshall, '81 Corvette 350/285 10.933 Q Dutch Classic NO

IHRA 2008
C/SA Jim Boudreau, '69 Camaro 396 10.430 Q Epping NA Nat'ls September
D/SA Leon Philpot, '71 Corvette 454 10.770 D4-6 Baton Rouge LA
E/SA Jim Kaekel, '70 Olds 442 455 11.001 D5-5 Osceola IN September
G/SA JIm Marshall 10.933 Q World Finals October


NHRA 2009
C/SA Jim Conte, '69 Mustang 428/383 10.335 Rd 5, D1-5, Cecil County August
D/SA Brad VanLant, '71 Duster 340/314 10.559 Q Earlville D5-6 September
E/SA Brad Van Lant " " " " 10.622 Q KCIR Nat'l Open October
G/SA Jim Marshall 10.933 Q D2-6 Renolyds GA October

IHRA 2009
C/SA Jim Boudreau, '69 Camaro 396 10.199 Q D1-7 Epping September
D/SA Leon Philpot, '71 Corvette 454 10.779 Rd 1 D4-4 Baton Rouge
E/SA Jerry Davis, '71 Duster 340 10.833 Q Texas Nationals
G/SA Jim Marshall 10.905 Q Canaduan Nationals

All these runs were made by really good cars, in pretty good air, by people who have had them, beat on them, and know them pretty well, for quite a while.


Now, let's look at some of the runs from this past weekend at Indy.

C/SA Dempsey Pendarvis, '09 Challenger 5.7 315 Rd 1 US Nat'ls 9.797
D/SA Irvin Johns, '09 Challenger 5.7 315 Rd 1 US Nat'ls 9.983
E/SA Carey Bales, '09 Challenger 5.7 315 Rd 1 US Nat'ls 10.000
G/SA Jeff Tueton, '09 Challenger 5.9 275 Rd 1 US Nat'ls 10.529

These cars, having been on the track for a year or less, outran a lot of really good cars by anywhere from FOUR TO SIX TENTHS, the new cars Indy runs compared to the old cars best runs, in good air. Heads-up at the same race at Indy, some new cars were outrunning really good old cars by as much as EIGHT TENTHS. Just imagine how fast they, along with the new Mustangs combos, will be with more track time, testing, etc. And the 3.25% horsepower that the 5.7, 5.9 Mopars and the Mustang combination Chris Holbrook has will receive tomorrow will barely make a dent in the armor. And all from cars you could not get from a dealer.

Just a sad state of affairs in the current state of Class Racing.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

[QUOTE=Bruce Noland;208671]

Originally Posted by Alan Nyhus

At least they're not sandbaggin'..............[/QUOTE

Jeff told us in the lanes that he was 140 pounds heavy.

Aw Bruce that's cold, Jeff and I are nearly the same size..

[Alan Nyhus]

At least they're not sandbaggin'..............

[Michael Beard]

Aw, they're still behind the new Camaro... 8.70's at 155 mph...



What? It's stock... isn't it?

[Bruce Noland]

[QUOTE=Alan Nyhus;208665]At least they're not sandbaggin'..............[/QUOTE

Jeff told us in the lanes that he was 140 pounds heavy. That is H/SA weight. These cars still have more to show.

[Mickey Whaley]

just remember IHRA HP is not the same as NHRA example the 396 alum head motor is still at old factor which is 130 lighter that the new NHRA HP rating.

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=Bruce Noland;208671]

Originally Posted by Alan Nyhus

At least they're not sandbaggin'..............[/QUOTE

Jeff told us in the lanes that he was 140 pounds heavy. That is H/SA weight. These cars still have more to show.

Jeff has said he has been that much over weight all his life many times before he acuired the new DP.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

just remember IHRA HP is not the same as NHRA example the 396 alum head motor is still at old factor which is 130 lighter that the new NHRA HP rating.

So using the NHRA factor/weight, Jim B's run (in killer air) last year in C at Epping would be low 10.30's, in line with the other C runs listed, and six tenths behind the DP's/CJ's. Fun. The 396 will need Dart heads as a replacement head to get close to the new cars.

[Steve Williams]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

So using the NHRA factor/weight, Jim B's run (in killer air) last year in C at Epping would be low 10.30's, in line with the other C runs listed, and six tenths behind the DP's/CJ's. Fun. The 396 will need Dart heads as a replacement head to get close to the new cars.

Easy on the Dart heads! We would see an 8 second Stocker next week if that happened! Although, that may be the only way to catch up with the Wild Thangs and Trouble Paks. Just an opiniion, so don't kill me over it.......

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

So using the NHRA factor/weight, Jim B's run (in killer air) last year in C at Epping would be low 10.30's, in line with the other C runs listed, and six tenths behind the DP's/CJ's. Fun. The 396 will need Dart heads as a replacement head to get close to the new cars.

And nitrous !