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Re: More on the new cars and crate motors.

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Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 184322)

So, why wouldn't you do the Challenger and Mustang the same way?

The circumstances are different Gump. Think about it. The new cars that have ruffled the most feathers, have not been factored yet and as long as everybody runs soft, it will take a little while to level the playing field. I looked at the numbers for some different combinations and incrementals to include DP's and CJ's and it looks to me that the DP and CJ in AA and A can whip anything out there if they want to. I emphasize the "want to" part. The CJ is no doubt capable of low 9's and 8's might be attainable if the track was good and the tuner turned the wick up a little bit. I know that some out there will not like me saying that, but it is my opinion. Underfactored combinations have been around forever. Just not this much. I am not bashing any particular combination, but the newer cars are the worst offenders. If you can win class running against some of these newer combinations, you may been given the win, or your stuff is that good, or your lucky. I won't go any further than that. This problem is not going away any time soon. You either have to accept that winning class is no longer feasible with your combination or continue to cry on deaf ears. The future of Stock doesn't look too good right now. If rumors are true about the Camaro, then there will be one more car that you can add to the underfactored or bogus category.

Re: More on the new cars and crate motors.

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 184259)

At Indy this weekend I had several racers ask me what i was talking about on class racer concerning crate motors? A lot of people thought it was about IHRA crate motor class. Other people thought the new cars wouldn't affect them because they thought they were only A and AA cars. Well this weekend there were two of the Mustangs with their new crate motors in stock. One with a 352 in E/SA and one with the 428 in B/SA. I think the E car went 10.83 and the B car went 10.5 something. I think this was the first race for these cars.
These crate motor deals can affect every class from AA to M, I think. And that's not even considering what's coming from GM. These new cars can affect 95% of all the cars presently running in stock. i doubt if there will be a lot of the 4.6 Mustang built, but even so they will go down as far as I/SA and I/S.

Looking at the poll on this site for people who actually race about 87% of racers think they should either not be allowed in stock or be in their own class in stock. The question this weekend from everyone was " What can we do?". I think there are several things we can do, Whether or not they make any difference I don't know. I have chosen not to go to National events this year. I realize a lot of people won't take that path. I would encourage you to e-mail or write to NHRA, your division director, tech people sponsors or other racers and let them know how you feel. The muffler deal was put to bed by racers taking a stand and the fuel injected cars were finally put in their own classes because racers stood up and said enough.

If NHRA refuses to properly factor thes cars or put them in their own classes they should allow the older cars to run these motor combinations. That is not something I would favor unless they fail to do what's right. I wouldn't mind running against the Ford's and Chrysler's with an 850 carb, Victor manifold, ported fast burn heads, solid roller cam, 12 to 1 compression and roller rockers with a 285 hp rating. Oh wait a minute there is a class for that SS modified.

Greg
1st of all thanks for trying to help this mess out
I dont agree with all you wrote but one thing will work that is letters to NHRA and to the division directors
What you need to do is write a form letter that we can use and make it so it can be sent to the right people
If we bomb them with letters it will be clear what racers want
Look at the muffler deal racers voices were heard
Also there are a lot more here that read and never post but will send a letter with there name and number to NHRA and the division they are in
So someone that has the smarts to write such a letter and make a link to how to send it will do all racers a favor(well most racers)
What would be a good idea is post a letter and give it a few days for racers to send their thoughts on the letter and when a few days go by post the finale letter with the links and then those that believe in it can send it by the posted link

Re: More on the new cars and crate motors.

RE "I would but I dont count......and NHRA won't. They rely on the AHFS......LOL. "

I feel sorry for their kids because they (the parents) probably rely on Santa Claus, too...

Re: More on the new cars and crate motors.

Mark i appreciate the confidence in me to write such a letter but I don't think a form letter is the way to go. 300 of the same letter might seem a little odd. Everyone knows what needs to be said. That being said I will post later in the week my thoughts on this and maybe some folks can pick some ideas from them. Please don't cut and paste. Use your own words and thoughts.

Re: More on the new cars and crate motors.

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 184364)

I would think 300 letters saying the same thing shows unity
And that is one thing IHRA or NHRA don't want
And really until we have unity we loose and they win
I know we will never have an organization and they know that also but they don't want us anywhere near to one
Greg you have to understand many of us are plain blue collar workers and we don't feel comfortable writing letters for fear we wont work then right
A well written letter we can use I believe would help get people sending them
What do the others here feel about this?
Just imagine a letter that 80% of racers sent and what that would say to them?
Kinda makes you wonder what the power of us all together could do...

Re: More on the new cars and crate motors.

I think it a very exciting time right now for Stock Eliminator with all of the fresh late model body cars showing up and Ford stepping up with crate engines. Truly fun to watch.

As a fan watching from the dreaming side of the fence, I do believe these new "50 build" machines should be heavily factored or get their own class to help keep the traditional and long time used combos competitive.

Strangely, NHRA never approved my 2001 Mustang Bullitt for Stock (of which Ford made over 5,000 units) but they continue to approve a car/engine combo that only 50 were made ??

Re: More on the new cars and crate motors.

They are here to stay like it or not. Until NHRA has a race and No one shows up then a stand will be made but racers have never been able to unite like that. Pro Stock guys did at Pheonix and that was the first time in years something like that has happened.