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I for the life of me cant understand you Stock/Superstock guys. You complain about payout of 1200.00 for 5 rounds and 100 entry fee that seems pretty good to me. It was your choice to build that expensive car although there are plenty of bracket cars out there with the same or more money in there cars and we run the **** out of them for 1000.00, my car included. You have 1 day of Stk / SS and the next day run brackets for 1000.00 for 80 dollar entry because face it you are nothing but a BRACKET CAR, you put a dial on every round just like i do. Quit bitching and race your cars they are not that fragile.

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

Mr. Casteel

The people that run these cars understand why they run them. My guess is you have never run one, there for you don't understand what it takes to make one competitive. The challenge to make them run as fast as you can under a restrictive set of rules. Yes we put a number on the window, but we also have heads up runs, depending on the class some people have them every race. If you can't understand us then your in the perfect class as a bracket racer, if you want to learn and understand our class then get a class car and go to work. I personally like the challenge of working to go faster, it is as much fun to make these cars perform as to drive them.

Todd Curtis
SSLA 5571

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EAASSYYYYYYY NOW BOYS!

We need to keep this positive and not turn it in to a bitch and spit please!

Mike I am trying to get things going in the right direction here with regard to payout and entry and all of that.

As far as payout goes; the BIR payout is stronger than any division race payout (excluding contingency for what it's worth)

In allot of ways you are right. we do just dial-in BUT we do have heads-up
Like Todd pointed out.
A good way to look at it is like this.
S/SS ENGINES are like a Rolex Versus Timex in a bracket car both get
the job done one is just a bit more precise and more$$$. And that's what you need when .05 (or less) is all that separates a champ from a chump
I know you understand that.
I also know where you are coming from with regards to a bracket car NOT being cheap junk as well! You have had some of the nicest bracket cars around!

But please, help me to keep things for the S/SS group positive THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

Glen DeMenge

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Not yet
I will put it up as soon as I get it.
As well as the year-end points prizes.

Thanks!

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

Mr. Casteel,

This is a class racer forum, not a bracket racer forum.

Therefore, we can speak how we feel in regards to our classes. The Internet is all about bitching in case you haven't noticed.

I do not believe I know you, but I respect your opinion.

Class racers are a different bunch. You may not agree with how we operate, but I would hope you wait until your one of us before you form your opinion.

I have formed friendships of a lifetime among class racers. We all are striving for a common goal to better the performance of our cars while working within a set of rules. Besides my family, it drives me everyday to succeed at work to allow me to pour money into my car.

We are a tight knit group.

I am impressed with the amount of posts in regards to making BIR a better place for us. It shows our concern and by Mexican Joe's efforts it will be a better place to race in 2011.

We are not better than any bracket racer. We do however work to align our thoughts to work for a common goal so all can race for a bigger purse.

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

Glen,

Thank you for all your efforts, it looks like BIR will be an even better place to race in 2011.

Also, Thank You to the staff at BIR for taking the time to listen and make
Some great changes, I beleave the car counts should be up and people will be having fun in 2011.

Todd Curtis
SSLA 5571

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Glen,

I commend you for your great efforts on this race, heck I want to come up and WATCH the race. It sounds like a real good time. Some day when my car is on the track I would love to come and race at Brainerd along with many other tracks on my list. Good luck.

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

Another positive is the only conflict between the TVD and Pierre S/SS races and BIR's is the Sept 18th weekend. Witch is the et Finals I assume they will not run S/SS at the et finals.

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Thanks Glen for everything you've done so far to keep class racing going. My health & heart aren't in it like they used to be, or we'd try to be even more supportive. Pretty much down to the GOOD driver doing all the racing. Unless of course we want to let Mike Casteel drive one of our other Superstockers. Mike you see, bought my old '65 Chevelle Superstocker and drove it successfully for years as a bracket car. Due to an unfortunate fire which destroyed last years ride, he will be driving the Chevelle again in brackets. But Mike is not foreign to Stock/Superstock. A few years ago, he drove my '64 Chevelle Wagon (the red one) to a win at one of the Stock/Superstock combo races at Interstate. So Mike sort of understands the S/SS thing.

On the other hand Mike, it doesn't make much sense for Todd to bracket race his Nova through the lights at 9000 rpm on a regular basis for several reasons: 1. Budget. 2. Fragile parts, not bulletproof parts like you'd build a bracket engine. 3. I don't have the time to fix it if it breaks. Some stockers are often bracket raced as ours are, but the Superstockers are a little too fragile and/or expensive to beat on like that on a regular basis.

Jerry

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Thanks Jerry. Stk/SS is my favorite class to watch at pretty much any race i go to and yes i know a little about it as my dad raced SS for 15 years, he had Jerrys 4 door chevelle. I just dont understand if your complaining about only one day and you have travelled to the track why you would not bracket race it Sunday for 1000.00 as thats not bad pay. Seat time is king now days. Glen hope you dont egg my car at Brainerd for this and im also going to need some new numbers for the wagon as my Calais burnt up in fire.

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

Mike
I am NOT going to egg your car ;)
I would however; like to see you get a SS engine and race with the S/SS group.
You are a heck of a driver and would do well! And you could still bracket race it.
ANY WAY...Give me a call I'll get your numbers ready for you.
I am sorry about your other car and the fire that is not a good deal at all.
Glen DeMenge

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Glen you can count me in if I get my engine done this spring if things go well. I'll have to get you to make me some new decals you probably don't remember but you did some for my wagon about ten years ago.

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

I am getting a list of the costs at BIR & AN EXPLANATIONS. for the charges.
I hope this will end some confusion.

Pro-rated payout at bir s/ss
 

PRO-RATED PAYOUT for LESS THAN 33 CAR COUNT
I think this is causing to much confusion
I'll get it all spelled out & re-post.
Sorry about that!

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What is 'pool money'? Am I the only one that thinks real $$$ listed in the pro-rated payout would be better?

Last question...IF entering more than 1 class, are you charged x2 at the gate for entry?

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

Travis, it appears to me that no matter what BIR does with the payout, you probably will not like it. The pool money is the money that the racer will put into the "BOX". That is an optional deal if you want to participate. It appears to me that your car is much to costly to race at a little S/SS race like the ones we are trying to promote and I can see why you would want to race only at points meets and national events where you can win the big money. This is just my theory on this situation. Thanks

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

Joe...I'm just trying to get clairification. Which has been a main issue at BIR in the past. Knowing what exactly it is we are racing for...that's all.

I haven't heard of this 'pool money' before and how it works or how much it is. Why not just make the entry fee higher so it's accross the board? But whatever works...let's just pray to the racing gods for 33 + cars to show.

And yes, excuse me if I don't want to buzz a $30k super stock engine at 9,000 rpm for $375 to win...that's just me.

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I will get this all spelled out for ALL to see exactly how much we are racing for.
So we can get some of that buzzing going on!!!

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""Last question...IF entering more than 1 class, are you charged x2 at the gate for entry?""[/QUOTE]
"5919 SS/KA"

NO
$10 per head per day includes camping (NO HOOKUPS) and entry to BIR. NO MATTER HOW MANY CLASSES YOU RACE
(or don't race in)

You WILL need buy & pay for a Tech Card for Each class that you wish to race in.

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Update on Parking !! It's $ 30 dollars a weekend and $ 45. if you want Power.

Travis the Pool Money is extra money the racers put in, Look At Post # 34 This tells the full deal. Last weekend the division race at Bradonton Was $230.00 Car and One Crew, The Gatornationals Car only $305.00 and $ 85.00 crew. You will have to go 5 rounds to get even money back .

Kerby
Sunny FLA :cool: 78 this weekend at gainesville

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What is this for???
Pro pits?? at BIR??
Please help me out???
IT IS $10 entry per head per day including camping (without hookups). at BIR

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Mex-Joe Yes For the Pro pits $ 30 for blacktop $ 45 for blacktop & Power

Kerby

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Now;
you say for the weekend??
Is that Fri.-Sun??

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Mex-Joe Yes For the Full Weekend On the Pro Pits

Kerby :cool:

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That IS in Addition to the $10.00 at the gate!!

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MexJoe This Is parking only .Fri, Sat, Sun.

Every one pay's the $ 10 dollor per day entry Fee, If you are only there to watch the racing you only pay the $10 dollor cover charge at the gate for the full day. If you do not want pay to park on the Pro Pits the Grass area is "free", But you still need to pay the $10 dollors at the gate and the cost of the tech-card for the class you are running .

Kerby :cool:

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That's no different than it had been in the past. It is a great feature, and a lot less mess to clean out of the trailer. Well worth the $30/$45!

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OK
That is how it works.
$10 at the gate.
$90 for the tech card.
AND
If you park on the pro-pits.
It's An Extra $30 and if you want power it's $45
If you don't park on the pro pits, the rest of the place is up for grabs.

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

The tar behind the tower is reserved as well...just an FYI

What about goats???

Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011
 

How is Rock Falls' payout for S/SS at their bracket races? Maybe BIR should copy that?

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It's probably been since you were in diapers Andy since Rock Falls has run a S/SS event. Rock is pretty much strictly a Bracket track...figured you would know, as your a many time champ there!

S/SS will be gone at BIR in '12 if it isn't supported I'm quite sure.

For me personally, I will race some car...some where...on most weekends this season. Black car, Orange car...don't really matter to me.

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The USA banquet was good I had a positive reaction form everyone I spoke with.
Thanks to Ron Zenzen For the opportunity to speak on behalf Of the BIR Stock
Super Stock racers committee.
I think we are moving in the right direction to get the car count back up at BIR in 2011.
Special thanks to Barry at Eagle Eye Photography
He is now making clocks with his outstanding photos
of your car on them.
(It’s a gift I will cherish forever thank you very much!! )

Here are the posters I am going to be printing up to put at various places.
Hope this will get some spectators to show up.
If you would like one for your shop or biz. please let me know.
Thanks!

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Glen, What the heck kind of a program is the USA going to run this year? It must be pretty top secret because nothing has been published about it yet!!! Are they going to have a Sportsman Times this year? Whats the story? You can tell us, because no one else will. Thanks, Joe D















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Hi Joe
I'm sorry, but I should have put this on here before:
USA has a questioner for all competing members to fill out.

They are trying to get input from the racers before making a plan for this year.
On what you like, and don't, and how you would like to see things done this year.

I think you should call Tippy and get one of the questioners USA handed out, fill it out and send it back in.

Any Way; how-come you didn't go??
I missed you! :(

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MexJoe Can You Make Me About (20) I'll Put Them Up Around Blaine & Ham Lake Area, Thanks Good work !!!

Thanks Kerby
Sunny FLA :cool:

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I belive everyone handed them in after the dinner. Calling Tippy can get more.

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Well I think you can?
I was asked to take 10 of them back up north with me to giveout to the people up here and to have them mail back.
I was unclear on when the results will be totaled up. And when the program will be out.

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Now, here is my theory on the situation. My main obligation this year is to help to get a full field at BIR, and nothing else. I may go to Earlville, but thats it. I am not ready to travel all over the country to try to win a $1000 with the expenses that is incured while doing this. I would rather support a local track an be able to race there for the summer.
Now if the USA wants to support 3 or 4 tracks, its going to take 80-100 members. I don't see that happening. With 50 members, that is $2500 total payout which is enough for a little over one 2-day race or 2.5 one day races if there is no other money raised. To raise more money, they will have to get the advertizing going again, and with the economy I don't see that happening. In fact, I havent seen a Sportsman Times in 2 years!! If the USA wants to support BIR with extra cash, and we employ the "BOX" we could turn that program around and have a payout worth showing up for. This is my view on the subject, and its what I'm going to concentrate on. Tell me what you guys are thinking!!!

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Hey guys, check out the post on fuel prices, how many of you USA members want to flatted out visa cards running all over to support tracks 350 miles away? If you have too much money, do it, if you don't lets back our home track, which is a class race track, so we can have S/SS races next year. Lets hear some
views on this!!!

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I'll Be Racing At "BIR", Been To The Other Tracks The Only One That Comes Close Is Tri-State . Today Fuel At Fying J $3.79 And Going Up this week. "Joe Knows"

Thanks Kerby
Sunny FLA :cool: