S/SS combo @ BIR 2011

MEXJOE · 01-29-2011, 09:29 PM

I just got home from a group meeting at Brainerd. The s/ss combo is a go for 2011
It was a very positive & productive start to having some excellent s/ss racing at BIR

Many of the issues keeping races away from BIR that were presented to myself
as well as Jim S., Ron P. & Ron Z. were very much the same.

We made some positive headway on some issues.
Allot of thing were a BIG eye opener to us,
as well as the track owners and staff in attendance.

I think this will be a very good thing & we are going to work on the following:

1. Tech ( make more efficient) ...More to come on this I think you will like it!

2. RUN-ORDER Will be in black and white bold print & easy to understand.

3. TIME MANAGEMENT Again... efficiency we are looking at a situation as follows:

( 1st Call Get your car ready tires, fuel ECT.

( 2nd CALL GO TO STAGING for your Qualifying run.

( 3rd CALL FIRST PAIR WILL BE IN THE WATER BOX
so... IF YOU DiNgGeL DaLLy AROUND, AND ARE LATE YOU GET NO RUN!!!

!!!!!!!! again THIS WILL APPLY TO ALL CLASSES BRACKETS EVERYONE .!!!!!!!

If we all co-op and work with BIR this will be a good thing.
I will know more next Sunday we have another meeting next Sat.

Ho ya I almost forgot...
I was voted to be the Rep. for the STOCK SUPER/STOCK GROUP @ BIR IN 2011.
I will do my best to answer ?'s and help the racers to see the track's point of view
As well for the track to see where we as racers and sportsmen and women are coming from.
Wish me luck and I will do my best for all.
Thank You
Glen DeMenge

novassdude · 01-29-2011, 11:58 PM

Good luck Glen I think you will be a good representative for the class. With any luck I will make it out there this year for a race or two.

5919 SSKA · 01-31-2011, 03:01 PM

Good luck Glen!

If the payout vs. entry fee is good, I will be there.

gsa612 · 01-31-2011, 05:44 PM

Glen, I think you will make a good rep. Great to hear there still will be a combo. I don;t get out as much as before, but the two times I ran this year found it to be ok. The USA race in July was a disapointment in terms of racer turnout. The only other thing is we get there around 3am and in order to get in have to pay the previous days admission or sit at the gas station till 7am till there system goes into the next day. Hopefully see you all in May. John gsa612

ron mattson · 01-31-2011, 06:21 PM

Glen, this is great news, we have a place to race without driving 6hrs or more and
with the improvements in tech,entry and so on, this looks really good. The payout is
also decent as i heard its 1200.00 to win if we get 32 cars, is this correct? if we can get
all the Mn and surrounding racers on the same page should not be a problem. i added
up around 60 s/ss just in Mn. I cant wait, winter is getting long already im ready to race!!!

MEXJOE · 01-31-2011, 06:44 PM

Thanks for the support.

Payout is $1,200 on a 33 car field.

THAT'S ON A 1 DAY RACE (Q1, Q2, then RACE ALL in THE SAME DAY)

ENTRY FEE IS $10 @ GATE PER DAY AND
$90 FOR A S/SS Sat. RACE Tech card.

You can stay and race on Sunday if you would like to bracket race
(see BIR web site for prices.)

All we need to do is get some cars up to BIR and we can have a good S/SS pay day
Maybe some cash (KERBY'S IDEAS)
OR the USA deal could be an over-lay for even more$$$$ ????????? (JUST IDEAS)

I do not see how you cold load-up and tow more miles and take days off work
spend more$$ and think you could do better.

BIR is working very hard to fix the (pet peeves) that we have, and to make it fun to race!

1 thing that I got out of the meeting is THE PAY AT THE GATE DEAL.....
The reason for the $10 gate fee and then going to the condo-shirt shack for tech cards.
IS THIS!
The main gate is NOW used for the drag racers AS WELL AS the road racers on the same week-end.

The help at the gate ARE ALL TEMPS. & with all the classes and 2 types of racing going on it is just to confusing for them.

AND THIS!!
People were pulling a fast one on them like; saying they were racing one class
(like street trophy) then going back and saying they had payed for a another class
( like bracket 1) and had gotten the wrong card.
Now if you think about it that's not good.

It gets rid of the bottle neck at the gate as well !! Trucks & trailers out on hwy 371 is not good!

ANYWAY....
If you look at what happens at a Div. race
YES you just pay & go in
BUT after tech
you go and stand in line to get your run card at the trailer so what's the Diff.?????

Tim Lisson · 01-31-2011, 09:28 PM

Glen,

I think it's great that the management at BIR is willing to sit down and address the problems they experience and what the racers deal with.

BIR has always had a fair payout schedule for a combo and the points series IMO.

I kinda of figured the gate help was a problem. You said $10 each day, is this new for this year? Last year we were forced to pay for the whole weekend, including camping of course.

Keep up the good work Glen! I need some decals from you. Do you still have time?

Tim

MEXJOE · 02-01-2011, 11:54 AM

Thanks Tim
I sure can take care of your decals !
I don't think they are charging a camping fee..
$10 PER HEAD PER DAY.
Unless you are renting a pro-pit spot with a power hookup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Lisson

Glen,

I think it's great that the management at BIR is willing to sit down and address the problems they experience and what the racers deal with.

BIR has always had a fair payout schedule for a combo and the points series IMO.

I kinda of figured the gate help was a problem. You said $10 each day, is this new for this year? Last year we were forced to pay for the whole weekend, including camping of course.

Keep up the good work Glen! I need some decals from you. Do you still have time?

Tim

Mike Mans · 02-01-2011, 02:12 PM

Wow, I have to say that must have been one of the most productive racer/staff meetings in a LONG time! Nice job Glen, I hope everything you've heard comes to fruition. I haven't attended a combo race in several years, but this definitely has appeal with the one-day race, nice payout, and reasonable entry fee.

When you get word on the payout schedule (Win, R/U, Semi's etc...) please post as well. Pro-rated for various car counts is a must so nobody gets surprised when they get to the payout windows.

Also, please post the results on scooter fees or any other non-traditional fees we don't get at Divisional races.

Thanks for the good work,
Mike Mans

5343stk · 02-01-2011, 09:54 PM

Thanks for your help Mexican Joe, I think your the perfect man for the job. If you can succeed at fixing the issues at BIR, you might want to run for higher office.

I too would like to see a fee schedule for all charges they tend to impose for 2011.

I'm still a big fan of the kiss method ( keep it simple stupid ). I think they tend to over complicate their system. Most racers have been trained over many years. Car & driver covers all incidental costs excluding crew members.

Just an idea, but if there is confusion with the front gate during dual event weekends, why don't they open Gate B to allow the drag cars entry to allow for payment for all fees once. BIR is the only track I have ever raced at that you have to work hard to have them collect your money.

01-29-2011, 09:29 PM	#1
MEXJOE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nhranumbers.com Posts: 875 Likes: 137 Liked 165 Times in 51 Posts	S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 I just got home from a group meeting at Brainerd. The s/ss combo is a go for 2011 It was a very positive & productive start to having some excellent s/ss racing at BIR Many of the issues keeping races away from BIR that were presented to myself as well as Jim S., Ron P. & Ron Z. were very much the same. We made some positive headway on some issues. Allot of thing were a BIG eye opener to us, as well as the track owners and staff in attendance. I think this will be a very good thing & we are going to work on the following: 1. Tech ( make more efficient) ...More to come on this I think you will like it! 2. RUN-ORDER Will be in black and white bold print & easy to understand. 3. TIME MANAGEMENT Again... efficiency we are looking at a situation as follows: ( 1st Call Get your car ready tires, fuel ECT. ( 2nd CALL GO TO STAGING for your Qualifying run. ( 3rd CALL FIRST PAIR WILL BE IN THE WATER BOX so... IF YOU DiNgGeL DaLLy AROUND, AND ARE LATE YOU GET NO RUN!!! !!!!!!!! again THIS WILL APPLY TO ALL CLASSES BRACKETS EVERYONE .!!!!!!! If we all co-op and work with BIR this will be a good thing. I will know more next Sunday we have another meeting next Sat. Ho ya I almost forgot... I was voted to be the Rep. for the STOCK SUPER/STOCK GROUP @ BIR IN 2011. I will do my best to answer ?'s and help the racers to see the track's point of view As well for the track to see where we as racers and sportsmen and women are coming from. Wish me luck and I will do my best for all. Thank You Glen DeMenge

01-29-2011, 11:58 PM	#2
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Good luck Glen I think you will be a good representative for the class. With any luck I will make it out there this year for a race or two.

01-31-2011, 03:01 PM	#3
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Good luck Glen! If the payout vs. entry fee is good, I will be there. __________________ Racing web page

01-31-2011, 05:44 PM	#4
gsa612 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: 100th Meridian Posts: 569 Likes: 116 Liked 280 Times in 139 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Glen, I think you will make a good rep. Great to hear there still will be a combo. I don;t get out as much as before, but the two times I ran this year found it to be ok. The USA race in July was a disapointment in terms of racer turnout. The only other thing is we get there around 3am and in order to get in have to pay the previous days admission or sit at the gas station till 7am till there system goes into the next day. Hopefully see you all in May. John gsa612

01-31-2011, 06:21 PM	#5
ron mattson Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: cloquet mn Posts: 466 Likes: 17 Liked 67 Times in 30 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Glen, this is great news, we have a place to race without driving 6hrs or more and with the improvements in tech,entry and so on, this looks really good. The payout is also decent as i heard its 1200.00 to win if we get 32 cars, is this correct? if we can get all the Mn and surrounding racers on the same page should not be a problem. i added up around 60 s/ss just in Mn. I cant wait, winter is getting long already im ready to race!!! __________________ Ron Mattson 5015 STK

01-31-2011, 06:44 PM	#6
MEXJOE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nhranumbers.com Posts: 875 Likes: 137 Liked 165 Times in 51 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Thanks for the support. Payout is $1,200 on a 33 car field. THAT'S ON A 1 DAY RACE (Q1, Q2, then RACE ALL in THE SAME DAY) ENTRY FEE IS $10 @ GATE PER DAY AND $90 FOR A S/SS Sat. RACE Tech card. You can stay and race on Sunday if you would like to bracket race (see BIR web site for prices.) All we need to do is get some cars up to BIR and we can have a good S/SS pay day Maybe some cash (KERBY'S IDEAS) OR the USA deal could be an over-lay for even more$$$$ ????????? (JUST IDEAS) I do not see how you cold load-up and tow more miles and take days off work spend more$$ and think you could do better. BIR is working very hard to fix the (pet peeves) that we have, and to make it fun to race! 1 thing that I got out of the meeting is THE PAY AT THE GATE DEAL..... The reason for the $10 gate fee and then going to the condo-shirt shack for tech cards. IS THIS! The main gate is NOW used for the drag racers AS WELL AS the road racers on the same week-end. The help at the gate ARE ALL TEMPS. & with all the classes and 2 types of racing going on it is just to confusing for them. AND THIS!! People were pulling a fast one on them like; saying they were racing one class (like street trophy) then going back and saying they had payed for a another class ( like bracket 1) and had gotten the wrong card. Now if you think about it that's not good. It gets rid of the bottle neck at the gate as well !! Trucks & trailers out on hwy 371 is not good! ANYWAY.... If you look at what happens at a Div. race YES you just pay & go in BUT after tech you go and stand in line to get your run card at the trailer so what's the Diff.????? Last edited by MEXJOE; 02-01-2011 at 03:39 PM.

01-31-2011, 09:28 PM	#7
Tim Lisson Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Solon Springs, WI Posts: 166 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Glen, I think it's great that the management at BIR is willing to sit down and address the problems they experience and what the racers deal with. BIR has always had a fair payout schedule for a combo and the points series IMO. I kinda of figured the gate help was a problem. You said $10 each day, is this new for this year? Last year we were forced to pay for the whole weekend, including camping of course. Keep up the good work Glen! I need some decals from you. Do you still have time? Tim

02-01-2011, 02:12 PM	#9
Mike Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 177 Likes: 21 Liked 299 Times in 48 Posts	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Wow, I have to say that must have been one of the most productive racer/staff meetings in a LONG time! Nice job Glen, I hope everything you've heard comes to fruition. I haven't attended a combo race in several years, but this definitely has appeal with the one-day race, nice payout, and reasonable entry fee. When you get word on the payout schedule (Win, R/U, Semi's etc...) please post as well. Pro-rated for various car counts is a must so nobody gets surprised when they get to the payout windows. Also, please post the results on scooter fees or any other non-traditional fees we don't get at Divisional races. Thanks for the good work, Mike Mans Last edited by Mike Mans; 02-01-2011 at 02:38 PM.

02-01-2011, 09:54 PM	#10
5343stk Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zimmerman, MN Posts: 99 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: S/SS combo @ BIR 2011 Thanks for your help Mexican Joe, I think your the perfect man for the job. If you can succeed at fixing the issues at BIR, you might want to run for higher office. I too would like to see a fee schedule for all charges they tend to impose for 2011. I'm still a big fan of the kiss method ( keep it simple stupid ). I think they tend to over complicate their system. Most racers have been trained over many years. Car & driver covers all incidental costs excluding crew members. Just an idea, but if there is confusion with the front gate during dual event weekends, why don't they open Gate B to allow the drag cars entry to allow for payment for all fees once. BIR is the only track I have ever raced at that you have to work hard to have them collect your money. __________________ James & Kari Findell (2) 1973 Plymouth Duster's 340 NHRA Stock Eliminator